Other leaders who didn´t rule nations? suggestions:

[Xandinho]

Any chance we will see a notable Pope as a leader? Confucius is the only spiritual leader so far, but I don't think he will be the only one. We can certainly expect a few more.

 

[Siptah]

• Albert Einstein - unlocks America, Germany, & Israel

As far as I know, Einstein was against the creation of a modern Israel (and supported a Palestine state that was open for Jews as well). He also was very prominently against the German state, dropped his citizenship and became Swiss. If anything, he could unlock Switzerland or the US, but for sure not Israel or Germany. As I said earlier, I think leaders should be dead for a while until they get included. I don't think people that knew them should be still alive (so wait 70-100 years). Some of Einstein's students are still around.

• Dante Alighieri - unlocks Italy & the Papal States

I could see Italy, I can't see the Papal States. But I also think we don't need another Florentine leader, so, no.

• Gudrun - unlocks France, Germany, & the Norse (and paired with a Burgundian civ in Antiquity!)

Burgundian in Antiquity? Burgundy was at the height of European court culture in the late middle ages. I don't see what makes Gudrun/Kriemhild a good leader at all.

• Huldrych Zwingli - unlocks Switzerland

As Zaarin noted, he actually, unsuccessfully, exerted some leadership for a while. Still, I think, he's not a good choice, at least not compared to Luther. For the reformation, he was an important impetus, but didn't actually accomplish much. He had and has almost no lasting legacy, as many of his ideas were reformed/overturned very quickly by Calvin and Bullinger.

• Jacob Grimm - unlocks Germany

If we want 19th century scientists leading Germany, Humboldt seems the better choice (and more fitting for civ) than a philologist.

• Robert E. Lee - unlocks Dixie

I know he is held in pride in the US, but that's a bit like adding Rommel. Don't forget that leaders can lead all civs. And the civ...

• Thomas Aquinas - unlocks Papal States

That's a very good choice in a way. In another, it's a bit difficult to come up with a style that fits all ages imho.

 

[Siptah]

Any chance we will see a notable Pope as a leader? Confucius is the only spiritual leader so far, but I don't think he will be the only one. We can certainly expect a few more.

Aeneas Silvius Piccolomini (Pius II) would be my choice. But renaissance popes are actual leaders.

 

[Krikkit1]

Any chance we will see a notable Pope as a leader? Confucius is the only spiritual leader so far, but I don't think he will be the only one. We can certainly expect a few more.

Calling Confucius a spiritual leader is a misnomer, Machiavelli is just about as much of a Spiritual leader.

[Yes I know Confucianism can be considered a religion... but it is a religion the way Fascism or Communism are religions.]

 

[Lebo44]

1. Tesla
2. Copernicus
3. Newton
4. Henry Ford or Rockefeller
6. Moses
7. Cecil Rhodes
8. Jacob Fugger or Rothschild

 

[Zaarin]

Any chance we will see a notable Pope as a leader? Confucius is the only spiritual leader so far, but I don't think he will be the only one. We can certainly expect a few more.

Most popes who are notable are not going to be popular choices with Catholic audiences, like Julius II or Alexander VI. Maybe you could get by with Innocent III. I'd be more interested in influential bishops or abbots like St. Bernard or Hildegard von Bingen.

As Zaarin noted, he actually, unsuccessfully, exerted some leadership for a while. Still, I think, he's not a good choice, at least not compared to Luther. For the reformation, he was an important impetus, but didn't actually accomplish much. He had and has almost no lasting legacy, as many of his ideas were reformed/overturned very quickly by Calvin and Bullinger.

While it's true most of his ideas were reformed by Calvin and Bullinger, I'd say Zwingli is notable for founding the branch of Protestantism (Reformed Protestantism) that the overwhelming majority of modern Protestants descend from. (Even mine, Wesleyanism, even though it rejects almost all the basic principles of Reformed Protestantism. ) (We can have a debate about whether Anglicanism is Reformed, but Lutheranism didn't produce many adherents outside of Germany and Scandinavia and their descendants in America, and the radical Reformation produced even fewer--really Quakerism and the Moravian Brethren are the major descendants of the radical Reformation in modern times, and neither is what I'd call a major denomination. Even Pentecostals, who look like the radical Reformation, are descended from Reformed Protestantism genealogically.) So yes, his immediate influence has been diminished, but he did found the largest branch of Protestantism. As a personality, I 100% agree he's less interesting than Luther. He was a quiet, reserved, sensitive man who largely let his actions and associations speak for him--not a bombastic polemicist like Luther or a dour, self-absorbed ascetic like Calvin.

 

[TheSpaceCowboy]

Burgundian in Antiquity? Burgundy was at the height of European court culture in the late middle ages. I don't see what makes Gudrun/Kriemhild a good leader at all.

If we want 19th century scientists leading Germany, Humboldt seems the better choice (and more fitting for civ) than a philologist.

A Burgundian civ in antiquity would emphasize the Burgundians' centrality in the Nibelungenlied, and base its uniques and abilities around it.
But it could then lead into civs like the Carolingians or later Germany
As far as Gudrun, it's hard to find notable female Leaders; she serves that niche.

As far as Grimm, he probably did more than anyone aside from Martin Luther (through his German translation of the Bible) to create the German national identity.
The only other with almost as strong of a claim is Richard Wagner, who'd also be a great Leader

I love history, but I'm more passionate about Literature, Mythology, Poetry, and Scripture, and my preferences in Leaders certainly reflects that

 

[untitledjuan]

Perhaps unpopular and random idea that probably would never happen and might even be a bad idea: Frank Lloyd Wright as a leader

 

[Zaarin]

Perhaps unpopular and random idea that probably would never happen and might even be a bad idea: Frank Lloyd Wright as a leader

Not sure I want him as a leader, but I will take every building he ever designed as a wonder. (Incidentally, the man led a very colorful life and was an absolute jerk. An extremely, extremely talented jerk, and IMO by far the greatest architect of the 20th century. So he might even be interesting as a leader. He also popularized what I wish had caught on as the adjective for the USA: Usonian.)

 

[BackseatTyrant]

Albert Einstein YES OR NO?

Mother Theresa YES OR NO?

Both of those are terrible options, given how Albert Einstein had a vocal distaste for politics & leadership, and Mother Theresa was a horrible human being who deliberately tortured her patients

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

Abbas ibn Firnas - unlocks Al Andalus, takes 50% longer to research flight, 50% shorter to research physics

 

[Metecury]

Cardinal Richelieu would be interesting for sure, diplomacy and warfare focus. Maybe espionage once thay becomes fleshed out? (Unless its a modern era mechanic).

Albrecht von Wallenstein with a military and economic focus and some mercenary related mechanic perhaps. He was one of the most influential figures in the 30 years war and certainly an interesting character.

 

[The_goggles_do_nothing]

James Oglethorpe. It's hard to find any pre-American revolutionary leader.

Most popes who are notable are not going to be popular choices with Catholic audiences, like Julius II or Alexander VI. Maybe you could get by with Innocent III. I'd be more interested in influential bishops or abbots like St. Bernard or Hildegard von Bingen.

Should a pope be included based on religious accomplishments, or for other reasons? A crusading Pope with Levy abilities, or someone who can propose special religious diplomatic actions?

 

[Zaarin]

Should a pope be included based on religious accomplishments

Are there any? *ducks in Protestant*

 

[The_goggles_do_nothing]

Are there any? *ducks in Protestant*

I had no idea ducks had a theology.

 

[Zaarin]

I had no idea ducks had a theology.

Well, why should the Hippo get all the animal theologians?

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

I had no idea ducks had a theology.

What, you've never heard of
Mallard Luther?
Calvin Canvasback?
John the Baptizing Bufflehead?
Adi Scaupkara?

 

[Jeppetto]

Many eons ago, when I was crafting unlikely, but "fun fan" personal form of Slovakia in Civ 6, I would instantly go for Ľudovít Štúr as the Leader (I dont remember If I got to posting it here). And I was instantly thinking there may be an issue in that he wasn't really a leader but I'd just say he would make perfect choice nevertheless.

Well now even Firaxis dropped the neccesity so If there would be space for minuscule representation for Slovakia, I thought he'd be great. He even has unique visual vibe to him with his weird beard.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Are there any?

Gregory the Great, I suppose you'd go with, if you wanted to go that route.

And yes, you narrowly evaded my crozier swing.

 

[Isengardtom]

James Cook?