PAE VI

[tot]

all of the text speak from the border of the delta. As I thought of. I can't imagine it makes sense to work in the middle of the delta when a big flood destroys all surounding area. at the border of the flood, canals and buildings are easier to protect from those water-dirt-masses twice a year.

Can you give me a link to what you are referring to? I cannot seem to find it within what I linked, but maybe I am missing it.
As for the flooding in the delta vs upstream, this does not seem to make any sense. In the delta the average flood height will be much smaller compared to in the Nile valley where the flood does not have the same space to expand into. If you look at Karnak and Luxor you can see they were not built at the edge of the floodplain, but rather at the edge of the Nile itself. If they were able to withstand the water-dirt-masses each year then why wouldn't a city where flood waters were much lower? I'm sure someone with more knowledge could show Nilometer readings from these respective sites.

Also I believe the flooding of the Nile was an annual event brought on by the monsoon hitting the Ethiopian highlands, what is the second flood?

Yes, you can drain swamps in PAE. (later on, eg. with sewerage and levees)

This is my fault for not adding 'at the correct time' because I am not sure this comes at the correct time. The Nile was settled and heavily developed for agriculture well before this tech comes online. I just went back through my ai-autosaves and found approx 500bc the Egyptians got this tech. This is very late to transform the Nile if the delta is intended to be all swamps until this point.

that's true, it makes no difference if you spread grain or onion. BUT it makes a big difference if you gain +1 wealth for every kind of cultivation bonus. so you would be able to get 20+ pop cities without illness. that's unrealistic. that's why I changed the +1 wealth for every type of grain and only give it to the granary. so I could decrease grain bonus from +5 to only +1. there are so many things (bonuses and buildings) that increase the wealth of your cities.

I believe where you wrote 'wealth' you meant 'health' but I may be mistaken.
I feel you are comparing apples to oranges. Why could the limit of +1 health for any number of grains not be extended to new resources as well? I am not saying by any measure that any added resources should be more powerful than the current resources, and if the current method is to limit all grain resources to a total of +1 health any new resources would follow that.

 

[Johnons]

Not sure why, but on any map with barbarian cities to start with the wait time in between turns is significantly longer even on standard size with graphics lowered all the way the wait time was around 35 seconds. This never happened to me in between turns prior to the beta patch. My load times were either instant or only 5 seconds or so for hundreds of turns prior to the patch. Wait time is not an issue in other maps with no starting barbarian cities. Is this just the limits of my computer or is anyone else experiencing this. I tried different map sizes as well and the problem got relatively worse the larger the map I used. I did manage to get the load time down to 25 seconds on a standard map with minimum graphics. I play in windowed mode to prevent crashes from happening as well. Love the changes you made but the wait time is ruining the early game for me. Anything I can try to get the wait time down. I very much prefer to play with the barbarian cities. Any help is appreciated. Thank you for your time.

 

[tot]

Not sure why, but on any map with barbarian cities to start with the wait time in between turns is significantly longer even on standard size with graphics lowered all the way the wait time was around 35 seconds. This never happened to me in between turns prior to the beta patch. My load times were either instant or only 5 seconds or so for hundreds of turns prior to the patch. Wait time is not an issue in other maps with no starting barbarian cities. Is this just the limits of my computer or is anyone else experiencing this. I tried different map sizes as well and the problem got relatively worse the larger the map I used. I did manage to get the load time down to 25 seconds on a standard map with minimum graphics. I play in windowed mode to prevent crashes from happening as well. Love the changes you made but the wait time is ruining the early game for me. Anything I can try to get the wait time down. I very much prefer to play with the barbarian cities. Any help is appreciated. Thank you for your time.

Are you on the newest update? I was having issues related to infinite spawn barbs moving to cities but it seems to be fixed with the newest update.
Can you post which scenario is lagging you? I can run it and see how it effects me.

 

[Johnons]

I downloaded the latest Beta patch and installed the files over the old ones. I didn't really make it far enough into the game to notice the infinite passive aggressive archers, but I am glad they are gone as they were such a bother in previous games I played.

L5000BC 26 CIVS+Barbs was between 25 and 35 seconds a turn up to Turn 35.

M5000BC 18 CIVS+Barbs was 20-25 seconds by turn 5

Europe XL 40 CIVS+Cities was completely fine by comparison. ~1 second for many turns slowly ramping up.

For some reason the barbarians seem to be the problem. They seemed to be behaving pretty normally just building warriors for the most part so far. This problem started after I installed the beta patch for sure.

 

[pie_at]

Can you give me a link to what you are referring to? I cannot seem to find it within what I linked, but maybe I am missing it.
As for the flooding in the delta vs upstream, this does not seem to make any sense. In the delta the average flood height will be much smaller compared to in the Nile valley where the flood does not have the same space to expand into. If you look at Karnak and Luxor you can see they were not built at the edge of the floodplain, but rather at the edge of the Nile itself. If they were able to withstand the water-dirt-masses each year then why wouldn't a city where flood waters were much lower? I'm sure someone with more knowledge could show Nilometer readings from these respective sites.

Also I believe the flooding of the Nile was an annual event brought on by the monsoon hitting the Ethiopian highlands, what is the second flood?

This is my fault for not adding 'at the correct time' because I am not sure this comes at the correct time. The Nile was settled and heavily developed for agriculture well before this tech comes online. I just went back through my ai-autosaves and found approx 500bc the Egyptians got this tech. This is very late to transform the Nile if the delta is intended to be all swamps until this point.

I believe where you wrote 'wealth' you meant 'health' but I may be mistaken.
I feel you are comparing apples to oranges. Why could the limit of +1 health for any number of grains not be extended to new resources as well? I am not saying by any measure that any added resources should be more powerful than the current resources, and if the current method is to limit all grain resources to a total of +1 health any new resources would follow that.

Oh, ok I am sorry for my two mistakes:
1) I meant health not wealth you checked it.
and yes, I know I could put more and more bonus stuff into the mod, but where's the end? if I add apple trees, I'd have to add pear trees too and so on... I prefer quality instead of quantity. And adding tons of sthg doesn't mean to make a game better. I like the amount of things as it is. I have to keep an eye on balance and playability and clarity.

2) second flood: that's nonsense (my fault), I had the two times of harvesting in mind. sorry, I was a bit absent in my thoughts.
Ok, let's go back to the actual problem, why barley is not cultivatable on grassland. It was a strategic reason and I didn't thought of the grassland plots in the nil delta, which looks better with grassland instead of desert with flood plains.
So, ok if this it the only problem, I change the fact that barley can be cultivated on grassland too. you're right, barley (what I forgot to account) can be spread even in northern regions. So grassland is ok for me. I'll change that.

For some reason the barbarians seem to be the problem. They seemed to be behaving pretty normally just building warriors for the most part so far. This problem started after I installed the beta patch for sure.

That's bad, I improved turn times generally... but added some stuff for Barbarians (creating animals the whole game long, creating Barbarian fortresses, creating bear caves, checking plots with deer, camels, elephants, horses and war dogs every turn).
As a consolation: Barbarians should become less the more turns you play (razing cities). So perhaps, it's only a starting hurdle.

 

[cmakk1012]

Is there any way to increase the number of Trade wagons dynamically? Like, adding one additional Trade wagon able to be built per metropolis, something like that?

 

[Jarlaxe Baenre]

Is there any way to increase the number of Trade wagons dynamically? Like, adding one additional Trade wagon able to be built per metropolis, something like that?

Limits of X units per Y are set in UnitInfos.xml. I'm 99% sure that it can't be changed without dll changes.

However, the limit in the xml could be removed and replaced with some python (unit.canTrain) where training them is disabled after you reach a certain amount, and reenabled when you either lose one or grow larger. Python workarounds like that slow the game down a (very tiny) bit, though.

 

[pie_at]

I added a new beta patch today.

this week I had to add changes for two new scenarios. after some test games, I hope nothing stands in the way for the final release.

New stuff in there:
- a huge War of Diadochi scenario by JohnDay (210 BC)
- a small Britonic scenario by JohnDay
- a very huge Eurasian map with 35 CIVs by brettschmitt
- new buttons for buildings with required religion (small religion button on the top left), also for the holy shrines (a star)
- religion pedia screen now shows those buildings, that need their religion
- supply wagons can now pick up food from city stocks

 

[Manarch]

Right in time, I was trying to finish a game on the previous version of VI, but just came to retrieve the update because of a constant game crash problem at one turn. Thank you! =)
[Religion entries] And that's indeed the kind of infos I was seeking in the pedia, it's perfect.

Edit: facing crashes also after patch installation, despite reinstalling from 0. How can I find out its causes?

 

[pie_at]

Save games are not compatible with the patch.
Where do you have the crash?

 

[brettschmitt]

New stuff in there:
- a very huge Eurasian map with 35 CIVs by brettschmitt

Ahm, Pie?
This 35 Civ scenario is not finished yet. Please don't include it at this moment.
I will finish the smaller 30 Civ map this weekend for your PAE VI. The bigger one will come later...

By the way. To everyone who has downloaded my Eurasia XL 30 Civs. There will be some changes again. I forgot some iron resources and a few other things...

 

[Manarch]

I mean, a game created before adding patch 3 crashed at one turn while playing without patch 3, prompting me to look for the upgrade, and then a game created after adding patch 3 crashed while playing with patch 3.
First case was ~ at turn 600, large map, epic speed, Pae-Life
Second case was ~ at turn 120, same settings, same civ played
Crash occured toward the end of the AI turns, maybe during barbarian turn.

 

[pie_at]

@Brett: ok, I've dropped it for the moment and uploaded the patch again.

@Manarch: puh, perhaps a save can help. then I can have a look (or someone else).

 

[Manarch]

Certainly, here's the latest save under patch 3. Crash occurs after the end of the current turn.
In case, I also join the latest save I have of the crash before patch3 was installed. I don't know exactly what's the delay before it crashed, shouldn't have been very long.
I'm curious of what causes it.

Edit: reuploaded both saves right before crash

 

[pie_at]

hm. strange. the patch3 save is faulty. ctd at once by clicking next turn. ctd even when going into WB.

but the other save "ant" works for me. several turns. no ctd.

 

[Manarch]

Odd indeed, since ant was taken from the previous settings, it shouldn't work under patch 3 und doesn't for me. For save-patch3, I twiddled a bit with different occurings, but to no avail. Each time the game crashes at the same point.
But it's only slightly vexing, for the ant-game was all but won, and the patch3-game only on the beginnings. I only wondered what provoked it and worried I would need to have a care.
Thank you for your time, I'll be back if it reoccurs on subsequent games.

 

[pie_at]

Perhaps, you can find out! Every bugfix is important

 

[mikmac]

Wow!
Lots of new content! I shall kick off with the small Britonnia scen- looks fab! Also, I should be able to finish it before final version is out.
BTW, what would be the appropriate thread to post screenies and such in?

 

[brettschmitt]

Here you can find my updated EurasiaXL map
https://www.civforum.de/showthread.php?84600-Szenarien-und-Karten&p=8260396&viewfull=1#post8260396

 

[Manarch]

The troubles are definitely consistent, but I may crudely be on something: a couple of tests under Pae_Life revealed that editor's ctd begins when [Leadership is researched/Palace is built]. Doesn't seem to happen with another map choice (fractal).I'm taking a closer look at those and trying to confirm it.
Does anyone else experience this kind of problems? I'ld like to know if it's local datas' corruption.