Pamela Anderson's anticapitalist manifesto

[Cutlass]

$3500/month for a small apartment?
Sf doesnt look that impressive. Does it have no poorer areas?

The poor have been forced out. It is a geographically constrained area which has been booming for a long time because it's the center of the computer tech boom. And there are a lot of zoning restrictions preventing the creation of more housing.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

She calls it a manifesto in that very phrase I quoted!

No, she doesn't. I went back to the article, pressed control+F and typed "manifesto". It occurs 2 times in the text:

> But more should be done. There are those in academia who are offering an alternative for economy, there is a new manifesto of French economists. Very interesting.

She is referring to some manifesto by French economists, not her text.

> I also want to gather other artists and creative people, smart people, to think big. Think ambitious. Let’s do our manifesto for the revolutionary future and ponder how to put it into practice.

She says "let's do out manifesto", meaning let's do it together and in the future, not that she has done it herself.

 

[Patine]

because it's the center of the computer tech boom.

San Francisco, yes, and seemingly Tallinn, Shanghai, and Seoul, as well (given the rising and/or still popularity of Skype, Huangwei, and Samsung, for instance, and growing suspicions about some Silicon Valley giants, after various incidents here and there, cutting into their international profit margins a bit).

 

[Hrothbern]

> But more should be done. There are those in academia who are offering an alternative for economy, there is a new manifesto of French economists. Very interesting.

She is referring to some manifesto by French economists, not her text.

Could be that Thomas Pikkety is involved.
Here a general article on him: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/09/manifesto-divided-europe-inequality-europeans.
Here his manifesto in French: http://tdem.eu/
Here an article from Pikkety et al on the US: https://www.theguardian.com/inequal...-the-us-experiment-is-a-recipe-for-divergence

Pikkety is focussed on inequality and wealth, on the historical accumulation outside the reach of the ordinary people, on how to tax it back to the people.

Here a masterplan draft on finance streams how to change the EU:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/09/eu-brexit-piketty-tax-google-facebook-apple-manifesto

He wrote many books that raised enthusiasm and criticism (also from like minded left) and worth reading if only for the eyeopeners for many.
I see him as overenthusiast from his holy flame and inprecise leading to lack of solid reliability.

 

[Patine]

No, she doesn't. I went back to the article, pressed control+F and typed "manifesto". It occurs 2 times in the text:

> But more should be done. There are those in academia who are offering an alternative for economy, there is a new manifesto of French economists. Very interesting.

She is referring to some manifesto by French economists, not her text.

> I also want to gather other artists and creative people, smart people, to think big. Think ambitious. Let’s do our manifesto for the revolutionary future and ponder how to put it into practice.

She says "let's do out manifesto", meaning let's do it together and in the future, not that she has done it herself.

The problem is that, even though Capitalism is as broken, unworkable, and failed as a sustainable economic system as Communism, Imperialism, Colonialism, Mercantilism, Feudalism, and old-fashioned Barter or Pillaging/Looting, there's still a tiny minority of people in this world who benefit from IMMENSELY and IN SPADES from this utter trash heap economic system that is capitalism, and that minority either owns, or has huge influence, over most educational institutes, media outlets, political leaders (except the most extreme, radical, and marginal on the Right- and Left-Wings of the spectrum), and ALL financial institutions - elements which would be NECESSARY to have on board to institute these glorious new economic paradigms peacefully (that is, without a bloody revolution, and an utter crap-shoot of who will emerge on top of a new power structure when the dust settles).

 

[cardgame]

mass media might have doomed socialism more than anything capitalist politicians could do.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

The "well, she benefitted from capitalism, therefore she has no right to criticize capitalism" argument reminds me of this comic:

 

[Patine]

The "well, she benefitted from capitalism, therefore she has no right to criticize capitalism" argument reminds me of this comic:

It looks like, instead, this young man in the orange shirt is a very good representation of the problem of "Internet stupidity being given undue credence," with said producers of such stupidity, unfortunately, having membership in all major socio-political and economic camps.

 

[Traitorfish]

mass media might have doomed socialism more than anything capitalist politicians could do.

It's hard to believe that Fox News or MSNBC have the same grasp on the American soul as the Church did on the old regimes of France or Russia.

 

[Disgustipated]

The problem is that, even though Capitalism is as broken, unworkable, and failed as a sustainable economic system as Communism, Imperialism, Colonialism, Mercantilism, Feudalism, and old-fashioned Barter or Pillaging/Looting, there's still a tiny minority of people in this world who benefit from IMMENSELY and IN SPADES from this utter trash heap economic system that is capitalism, and that minority either owns, or has huge influence, over most educational institutes, media outlets, political leaders (except the most extreme, radical, and marginal on the Right- and Left-Wings of the spectrum), and ALL financial institutions - elements which would be NECESSARY to have on board to institute these glorious new economic paradigms peacefully (that is, without a bloody revolution, and an utter crap-shoot of who will emerge on top of a new power structure when the dust settles).

Whatever. I grew up poor. I invested in the stock market, I am no longer poor. There is no law that prevents me from investing. It isn't limited only to rich people. Granted, you have to have enough intelligence to get a good enough job to make enough money. Capitalism is a system that favors intelligence (not hard work, that is a myth), and you do have to avoid having kids as well which may be too much for many people. But really you should avoid having kids for the environment anyways. I do agree about the political control. It's out of hand, we need serious campaign finance reform. Other than that I'm just fine with Capitalism, it suits me just fine. People don't realize just how rich we are. The poor in my city walk around with Iphones! And you are saying things are bad.

 

[Kyriakos]

Re mobile phones, most companies will give you the actual phone for very little money, but only if they tie that to a long term deal. So getting the phone wont be difficult, but you automatically got a set amount to pay each month.

 

[Patine]

Re mobile phones, most companies will give you the actual phone for very little money, but only if they tie that to a long term deal. So getting the phone wont be difficult, but you automatically got a set amount to pay each month.

I know all about this, even though I don't own one of the things. My girlfriend is almost CAN$150 in debt to a phone company because of such a contract, despite not even having used her phone for several months.

 

[Patine]

Whatever. I grew up poor. I invested in the stock market, I am no longer poor. There is no law that prevents me from investing. It isn't limited only to rich people. Granted, you have to have enough intelligence to get a good enough job to make enough money. Capitalism is a system that favors intelligence (not hard work, that is a myth), and you do have to avoid having kids as well which may be too much for many people. But really you should avoid having kids for the environment anyways. I do agree about the political control. It's out of hand, we need serious campaign finance reform. Other than that I'm just fine with Capitalism, it suits me just fine. People don't realize just how rich we are. The poor in my city walk around with Iphones! And you are saying things are bad.

It's not all about intelligence (and it's certainly not hard work, you're right there - given all the people that do backbreaking labour every day for monstrous hours for most of their lives, and then die poor, only having really enriched their employers), but a lot of it is also luck and, worst of all, favour from those who are already rich. Those two are VERY much factors, as well. Children are not an absolute factor, just a matter of priorities, really.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

Whatever. I grew up poor. I invested in the stock market, I am no longer poor. There is no law that prevents me from investing. It isn't limited only to rich people. Granted, you have to have enough intelligence to get a good enough job to make enough money. Capitalism is a system that favors intelligence (not hard work, that is a myth), and you do have to avoid having kids as well which may be too much for many people. But really you should avoid having kids for the environment anyways. I do agree about the political control. It's out of hand, we need serious campaign finance reform. Other than that I'm just fine with Capitalism, it suits me just fine. People don't realize just how rich we are. The poor in my city walk around with Iphones! And you are saying things are bad.

Forbes recently published an article quoting some research which shows that the thing that most correlates with wealth is... luck. Not intelligence or hard work. You simply get wealthy by being lucky, and in retrospect believe that you are smart or worked hard because it makes you feel better about yourself.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adigaskell/2018/04/02/what-role-does-luck-play-in-success/#5d3678e9357d

 

[Patine]

Forbes recently published an article quoting some research which shows that the thing that most correlates with wealth is... luck. Not intelligence or hard work. You simply get wealthy by being lucky, and in retrospect believe that you are smart or worked hard because it makes you feel better about yourself.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adigaskell/2018/04/02/what-role-does-luck-play-in-success/#5d3678e9357d

Probably the deep-seated psychological appeal of the scams that are lotteries and gambling.

 

[Lexicus]

Other than that I'm just fine with Capitalism, it suits me just fine.

You more-or-less explicitly say "Screw you Jack, I've got mine" and then wonder why people don't like "Capitalism". Remarkable.

 

[Patine]

You more-or-less explicitly say "Screw you Jack, I've got mine" and then wonder why people don't like "Capitalism". Remarkable.

"The King gave me a Barony. Suck it up peasant, and get to work! These fields aren't going to plow themselves!"

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Yeah tbh I caught myself thinking that too, and I think my own surprise at her analysis shows how deeply patriarchy is ingrained in each one of us.

Well speak for yourself. Just because you caught yourself thinking that doesn't mean everyone did.

 

[Patine]

Well speak for yourself. Just because you caught yourself thinking that doesn't mean everyone did.

I don't believe I, myself, even said anything patriarchal to catch myself on.

 

[Broken_Erika]

You more-or-less explicitly say "Screw you Jack, I've got mine" and then wonder why people don't like "Capitalism". Remarkable.

You're just jealous 'cause he's got his and you don't!