Paris burning

[CurtSibling]

I think Muslims who hate their adopted societies in the West should be catapulted into the sea.

Simple as that.

 

[CurtSibling]

I'm just happy that the EU has one problem worse than we do, so they can once lead the way and tell us what's the humanitarian way to solve it, before we Israelis try to do something.

On another note:
The roof, the roof,
the roof is on fire.
We don't need no water, let the MF burn.
Burn, MF, burn.
(and thanks for all the nukes (...fish))

The difference is between you bunch and we Euros is that we can handle the
problem and seek to end it. While your leaders seek to make money from the
blood of your own people. Slight difference.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

I wonder who you would even talk to if you wanted to start a dialogue on the causes of this...

Simple ,you create a very xenophobe extreme right-wing party who hijack natioal politics with poppulistic campaign's ,then watch the immigrants create an almost equally extreme counter-party.Afcourse they are going to hate eachother and won't come to a concensus ,but if both get a decent backing then the moderate party's will have to take into account the issue's these party's bring forwards ,and theyll have to provide the concensus out of fear of the extreme party's taking over politics due to reactionism.And the moderate party's will be forced to work out the concensus ,even prioritize on it.this is how it has been in belgium for about ten years ,and we have respectivly the biggest extreme right wing party of Europe (vlaams Blok/Belang) and the biggest muslim created party , AEL. (arab-european Liga)
The AEL is fairly small ,wich shows the minimal representation of immigrants or more specificly muslims in Europe ,but their millitants have been active and clear voiced ,their actions have sparked controversy just as the actions of the VB did ,and it forced Belgian politics to react ,though that doesn't mean that the VB couldn't one daty take over here...

 

[Bozo Erectus]

What it seems to boil down to is that they feel French society deep down doesnt really like them, and thats why theyre rioting. So why dont they go home to North Africa, where everyone is so kind and welcoming?

 

[CurtSibling]

What it seems to boil down to is that they feel French society deep down doesnt really like them, and thats why theyre rioting. So why dont they go home to North Africa, where everyone is so kind and welcoming?

My point exactly.

Muslims just seem to exist to cause mayhem.

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[Drewcifer]

What it seems to boil down to is that they feel French society deep down doesnt really like them, and thats why theyre rioting. So why dont they go home to North Africa, where everyone is so kind and welcoming?

Maybe because they were born in France and they are still not considered French yet?

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

What it seems to boil down to is that they feel French society deep down doesnt really like them, and thats why theyre rioting. So why dont they go home to North Africa, where everyone is so kind and welcoming?

Because they were born in france!

And besides ,this is a stupid point ,if French people whould riot because of bad conditions ,what would be youre reaction then?

I also don't like the muslims in general argument.Not every muslim man beats his wife ,there are atheist of arab decent here to ,extreme wing muslims are only a percentage within that group ,just as europeans have their share percentage of extremists.

Btw ,i have noticed all to much that usualy it's the younger generations ,actualy these born in the european country itself ,that tend to be more millitant rather than those comming from the county of origin themselfs.Most immigrants of elder generations that i know are quite intigrated ,but usually they have seen the poverty in the original country and are content with being even of the lowest class in a european country ,as it's still an improvement for them.

However.... their kids are born in France in lowest of classes ,and there is the difference ,they see that the autochtone youth has more chances and a more luxurious upbringing.And then they perceive themselfs as put behind ,and in a way they are.Many employers in Big city's are scared to employ immigrant youth because of conceptions ,that most of this youth is rebelious ,or criminal ,or just doesn't fit into the coorperate spirit.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Look, guys, lets just try to be objective and look around at the world today. Is there any major conflict occuring that doesnt involve Muslims?

 

[Drewcifer]

Look, guys, lets just try to be objective and look around at the world today. Is there any major conflict occuring that doesnt involve Muslims?

edit - on second thoughts I wont go there

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Look, guys, lets just try to be objective and look around at the world today. Is there any major conflict occuring that doesnt involve Muslims?

You call that objective? I call youre oppinions bordering racism frankly.

The biggest conflict of the last ten years has been the Congo wars ,where millions of people have died and wich has escalated to an Central African war ,with many country's involved ,and not one of them muslim.The origins of that conflict can be mostly found in european post colonialism ,and btw many problems of the Muslim world these days have the same origin.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

And there it is the 'R' word. Ok the answer is no, Im not feeling racist. Now, could you answer MY question? You cant, thats why you retreated to cries of racism.

edit: (Just for the record, Drewcifer called me racist in his edited post #209, hence my comment above.)

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

And there it is the 'R' word. Ok the answer is no, Im not feeling racist. Now, could you answer MY question? You cant, thats why you retreated to cries of racism.

Actually i just did ,read my post.Congo ,biggest colfict of the last decenia ,no muslims involved.And yes youre posts borderd racism ,period!

 

[Drewcifer]

And there it is the 'R' word. Ok the answer is no, Im not feeling racist. Now, could you answer MY question? You cant, thats why you retreated to cries of racism.

You just accused an entire group of people and a religion of attacking your world.

 

[CurtSibling]

You call that objective? I call youre oppinions bordering racism frankly.

It is not about race, it is about ideology.

You obviously see muslims as all 'Arab' - so by that fact, you are assuming
they are all Middle Easterners. Which is racist, because muslims come in
many cultures and colours...So you are making a stereotype.

And I hold that muslims have a creed that sets them at odds with the world.

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[Bozo Erectus]

You call that objective? I call youre oppinions bordering racism frankly.

The biggest conflict of the last ten years has been the Congo wars ,where millions of people have died and wich has escalated to an Central African war ,with many country's involved ,and not one of them muslim.

I said 'major' conflicts. The fact is that very little that occurs in Africa has much of an impact on the rest of the world, apart from disease outbreaks. I know youre going to start screaming racism at me now, but Im just speaking the plain truth. Im sorry if that truth rubs your ideology the wrong way.

The origins of that conflict can be mostly found in european post colonialism ,and btw many problems of the Muslim world these days have the same origin.

Yes of course, the old 'White Mans Burden' routine. Anything that happens in the third world is the fault of the West, because the people of the Third World cant possibly be expected to handle their own affairs responsibly. If they have problems it must be the fault of us, the responsible adults. Its you politically correct leftist extremists who are the real racists.

 

[CurtSibling]

You just accused an entire group of people and a religion of attacking your world.

They are ideologically against our way of life...

They think we are all white christian devils...And I find that offensive!!!

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[Bozo Erectus]

You just accused an entire group of people and a religion of attacking your world.

How would you characterise it then?

And you still didnt answer my question.

 

[classical_hero]

Look, guys, lets just try to be objective and look around at the world today. Is there any major conflict occuring that doesnt involve Muslims?

Recently, no, but in the past, it has been often a result of Roman Catholicism that has caused many conflicts. So it does seem that the major religions do cause more harm than good, because they seem to alway be fighting because "god" told them to. Religion is one of the biggest killers in the world. When you get people who have been brainwashed into believing things then they will do what the religion demands.

By saying that does not make any one racist because he did not single out a specific colour of people but a thought pattern that is caused by a religion, there is a big difference.

 

[Drewcifer]

They are ideologically against our way of life...

They think we are all white christian devils...And I find that offensive!!!

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No they don't! Well some do, some don't.

All Germans are Nazis? Of course not. Cripes, I can't believe the crap I am reading today - and out of mouths I usually respect.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Thank you Classical Islam is a religion, not a race. The Islamic religion breeds a culture of violence and intolerance that seems to inevitably lead to conflict with non Muslims.