Patch v3.13 change list

[ori]

Just to be clear, I posted here as a thank you for all your feedback, but it is not my job to keep you informed. From now on I will leave it up to our marketing department to give any information.

I really am sad to hear this. While there is some legitimate criticism and some non-legit stuff going on about the information flow it is sad to see all information dry up. No one is really profiting from this and I do hope you'll reconsider this at some point. Interaction with the fans is always best two ways and feedback on this site is usually productive and just because there is also some non-productive bashing going on in one thread shouldn't prevent you from seeking that kind of feedback.

 

[Psyringe]

At this point, for the first time since I signed on six years ago, I'm feeling personally ashamed of being part of this community.

But if we can't handle inside information (which, due to coming from a human being, might not always be presented in the most perfect way possible) in a constructive way, then we'll get what we deserve - which will be either professional silence, or professional marketspeak.

*sigh*

 

[Bast]

Just to be clear, I posted here as a thank you for all your feedback, but it is not my job to keep you informed. From now on I will leave it up to our marketing department to give any information.

Please don't deprive the rest of us because of a few people.

 

[Arlborn]

And who are that marketing guys?

< ready to spam!


J/K.




That is... Ah well.

Does anybody else thought of a second option? I.e. Take2 didn't like him posting the change log and stopped him posting anything again in CFC until second order, and after that the mess began...? Possible, although probably it was not.



Ye, where could I see the change log now? O,o

Damn flamers = both sides.

 

[Horace]

cant say im surprised.

*looks at 44 pages of abuse*

 

[Arlborn]

cant say im surprised.

*looks at 44 pages of abuse*

More likely 35-40.

But I do agree.

 

[kokoras]

I think that we have mised our point here,it is anfair to say that we are angry because of alexman information.Some may say that we sould have more information,but the fact is that alexman indeed posted this thread to please us believing that the patch was ready.
Even if the patch comes out this week it is frustraiting the fact that after 3 months from the release of the game we are still waiting for a patch that would fix the game.
We are the ''stupid'' ones to believe that Firaxis/2k will ever release a game with no major problems.I know that our word don't count because only a few will not buy civ5 or whatever(and i am one of those who will buy it,isn't this a stupid statement).What i will not do is buy other titles from these companies,simple as that.Still it is a same that a company who has such a great supporters doesn't try to give them a good product but prefers the ''easy'' way of releasing a game and afterwards try to find out(by the customers)what is wrong with it.

 

[Troymk1]

Originally Posted by Troymk1
Complex software IS buggy.

Maybe this is OK with you.

It's a fact of life. Complex systems induce chaos. There's actually a mathematical theorem out there on that if you'd wish to research. But the point is that software isn't easy. I'm glad they are putting in the time to try and get it right (and guess what, there will still be the odd bug...see point 1)

This whole thing suddenly has reminded me of all those people that complain when you're sitting on a plane and they anounce technical issues and we're going to be loaded onto another aircraft.

One can only imagine why they would much rather be on an aircraft with known faults. But thats essentially how they feel.

I feel bad for Alexman. He tried to give us some advance info and his hand was bitten, nay mangled by the unruly mob. He didn't have to do any such thing but as the japanese proverb would say "the nail that sticks out is the one hit on the head'

Apologies in advance for bad translation!

 

[nuwriter]

The problem is not in communication, it is in a lack of communication.

The first post on Sep-13 said the patch was done, but might not be released this week. The post then went on to make numerous fix promises and

The post was met with the excitement that it was designed to elicit. The problem with this was that it implied that the product would be soon forthcoming.

For the next 16 days there was more information, and the joy led to the natural feeling of disappointment and deception.

The posts that came were patronizing. "Actually, this is not a deadline, nor was there ever a deadline. We will release the patch when we are ready to do so.

We are happy to give you time estimates based on the current situation, but situations change. We can keep totally silent, if you prefer."

But you can't raise people's hopes with a list of fixes and take that tone with them when you don't deliver. One comes off as childish and irresponsible when one posts such things, and then follows up today with, "I posted here as a thank you for all your feedback, but it is not my job to keep you informed." - to make the posters who feel justifiably deceived seem ungrateful.

You could have solved the whole problem by posting on say... Sep-20 that there had been a problem with the patch, and that it would be indefinately delayed, and then thanking people for their patience.

But you didn't do that Alex, and you look really bad as a result. Stick to programming and away from PR.

If you make a promise - keep it, or explain why you can't. Don't belittle people for expecting you to deliver what you promised.

 

[Horace]

you are ungrateful imo.
and also there never has been a date/deadline stated so you havent been "deceived"

 

[Duuk]

Just to be clear, I posted here as a thank you for all your feedback, but it is not my job to keep you informed. From now on I will leave it up to our marketing department to give any information.

Now we know: Firaxis officially doesn't give a damn.

Marketing says nothing, Alexman withdraws his comments since "it's not his job"

 

[Arlborn]

But you didn't do that Alex, and you look really bad as a result. Stick to programming and away from PR.

If you make a promise - keep it, or explain why you can't. Don't belittle people for expecting you to deliver what you promised.

Read his last posts again, again, and again. And then a bit again.

Duuk: No indeed, it is not his job.

Now do you get why he got upset?

 

[eris]

If you make a promise - keep it, or explain why you can't. Don't belittle people for expecting you to deliver what you promised.

Okay, you don't want belittlement from the OP. Here's some from another poster, who claims the right to belittle you all I want.

You expect too much from a casual forum announcement. You behavior will encourage Firaxis to not make any casual announcments whatsoever. You thereby reduce reduce the overall value of these forums to people like me. You infer things from other people's words and complain when those people do not meet your inferences. These are behaviors I train my children out of. If you have a parent or other adult supervision, please have them retrain you to be more understanding of other people's positions, and also, how to be grateful for what gifts you are given without whining for more. The vocabulary addition they might offer you is the simple phrase, "Thank you."

Otherwise, I will gladly join what I perceive as the majority who deeply appreciate the updates we are given and understand when unofficial announcements do not always work out. Thanks Firaxis! Thanks a lot!

 

[DemonMaster]

Haven't you noticed that you all all behave like grumpy children (incl. alexman. Sorry to say that in this case).a

 

[Angst]

Haven't you noticed that you all all behave like children (incl. alexman. Sorry to say that in this case).a

Sorry to say so, but it's pretty childish to proclaim that...

 

[lulu135]

The problem is that it seems to be noone's job.

 

[McLMan]

you are ungrateful imo.
and also there never has been a date/deadline stated so you havent been "deceived"

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Ethric]

I feel bad for Alexman. He tried to give us some advance info and his hand was bitten, nay mangled by the unruly mob. He didn't have to do any such thing but as the japanese proverb would say "the nail that sticks out is the one hit on the head'

It is indeed a pity that it has come to this, but I do not see reason to feel sorry for anyone. The initial post did infer that a patch would be shortly forthcoming, and when it turned out not to be the case there was grumbling. Not a promise in any way, but nevertheless a strong hint, at the very least. A small clarification, use of the proverbial "soon/when it's ready", would have dampened most of the critiscism. Then what you'd be mostly left with would be what I'd characterize as trolls, but you find those everywhere, and most learn early in their "internet-career" to ignore them. Getting riled up by trollish outbursts to such a degree that you won't acknowledge the more dampened critique doesn't seem the way to go.

 

[DemonMaster]

Sorry to say so, but it's pretty childish to proclaim that...

Funny you say that, because what I ment with my comment was that no one backs down, everyone wants to have the final one on whos right and whos wrong and that in the most stupidest of questions. And one of the most childish behavious of all is that someoone said - you're mean to me so I'm not talking to you anyone.

Thanks, thanks, it seems that I has sunken to this level of discussion to, great. I better remove the notification of this thread so I'm not sunking to low.

 

[Loopy]

Just to be clear, I posted here as a thank you for all your feedback, but it is not my job to keep you informed. From now on I will leave it up to our marketing department to give any information.

Does this mean you'll also leave it to your QA department to find bugs? Or when we run into bugs, will you continue to ask us to post save games? If you're actively collecting save games for bugs, it would logically follow that you were involved in fixing them and providing a changelist wouldn't necessarily be outside your the scope of your job.

By editing your post to remove your "thank you for all [our] feedback", does that mean you no longer appreciate our feedback? That providing bug reports and save games is now a "thankless" job? Just to clear of course. . .