Patrick Says No to Playing Second Fiddle to Clinton in 2016

[BvBPL]

Gov. Patrick ruled out a Clinton-Patrick ticket in 2016 according to the Boston Herald.

What do you think? Will you be disappointed if Patrick does not pursue the ticket? Would Patrick be ready? Unlike Obama (or Clinton for that matter), Patrick actually has a history of executive leadership, which should be a good thing, but do you think that his history as governor could hurt him because there'd be a record to aim against?

Then there's the big question: Would America actually be ready for two black presidents in a row or does Patrick's race rule him out de facto?

 

[Kennigit]

He's previously stated a full intention to go back to the private sector after completing his term, so may as well believe that.

 

[Zack]

Would America actually be ready for two black presidents in a row

Can't a black guy do something without it being about race? Why the hell wouldn't America be ready for another black president?

 

[downtown]

It's fine, if Clinton won the nomination, I'm sure the team would be looking for more geographic balance anyway.

 

[bhsup]

A NY/MA ticket? No, I don't think the Democrats are that stupid to actually let that happen.

EDIT: Derpy derp, yeah echoing DT here. Posted based on title...

 

[Azale]

Patrick is a politician's politician, thank god he won't be anywhere near the White House.

 

[Antilogic]

Gov. Patrick ruled out a Clinton-Patrick ticket in 2016 according to the Boston Herald.

What do you think? Will you be disappointed if Patrick does not pursue the ticket? Would Patrick be ready? Unlike Obama (or Clinton for that matter), Patrick actually has a history of executive leadership, which should be a good thing, but do you think that his history as governor could hurt him because there'd be a record to aim against?

Then there's the big question: Would America actually be ready for two black presidents in a row or does Patrick's race rule him out de facto?

He's been pretty consistent in saying he would not be a candidate for higher office for awhile now, so I don't think this comes as a surprise. I have always interpreted glass ceilings and race barriers as things that are broken and then it doesn't matter one way or the other, so I don't put too much stock in the de facto rule-out. Besides, Obama won with some number of people voting against him because of his race, so why couldn't Patrick?

On bolded, I think you can argue that heading a Cabinet-level position in a presidential administration counts as executive leadership (your opinion of Clinton's work as such, though, may differ). Anyone in elected office, whether a governor or, say, a senator, is going to have a record to run against. I don't know of anything that would indicate Patrick's is particularly bad or egregious.

I'm agreed on the above notes on geographic balance. I'd expect Clinton to pick someone from the Midwest, Virginia, or Colorado as a running mate.

 

[ZeletDude]

I think Clinton's vp will be Warner, or another Southern Dem. Alternatively she may go for the Southwest, but meh I don't think so.

 

[IglooDame]

I've been assuming that Bill would be Hillary's running mate.

Deval Patrick? Meh. He comes across as a pale imitation of Obama; his oratory sounds petulant and whiny instead of serious and high-minded.

Besides, Clinton doesn't need to play the geography game, does she? She's from Arkansas AND New York, and her husband is a citizen of the world.

 

[Kyriakos]

Not sure if righter Patrick,

Winter is coming

 

[Camikaze]

The video linked to in the OP hardly counts as a refusal. Seems more a "that's unlikely" than a "I wouldn't accept it".

I'm agreed on the above notes on geographic balance. I'd expect Clinton to pick someone from the Midwest, Virginia, or Colorado as a running mate.

Lot of speculation on that one, depending on whether she goes for an Obama 2008 supporter or a serious progressive to try to bridge that gap in the party or if she sticks with a loyalist from her 2008 campaign. I can write up something more detailed later if people are interested.

please.

 

[BvBPL]

Deval Patrick? Meh. He comes across as a pale imitation of Obama; his oratory sounds petulant and whiny instead of serious and high-minded.

Actually, Obama copied Patrick. Obama used many of the strategies, lines from speeches, and such from Patrick when the former was running for President in 2008. "Yes we can" was originally a Patrick line that he had encouraged Obama to use.

Just wanted to set the record straight about who is actually imitating who.

 

[IglooDame]

Actually, Obama copied Patrick. Obama used many of the strategies, lines from speeches, and such from Patrick when the former was running for President in 2008. "Yes we can" was originally a Patrick line that he had encouraged Obama to use.

Just wanted to set the record straight about who is actually imitating who.

Thanks for that. Now that you mention it, I vaguely recall the same.

 

[Antilogic]

The video linked to in the OP hardly counts as a refusal. Seems more a "that's unlikely" than a "I wouldn't accept it".



please.

Crud, people remembered that post.

So, given the recent articles/exposes/filler material on Hillary's political machine, one school of thought is the VP slot will go to a Clinton loyalist (i.e. somebody who endorsed her in 2008). The other is that she will try to the team of rivals thing and bring in somebody who endorsed Obama in 2008. So take VA statewide guys as an example: the pragmatic Clinton loyalist choice would be Mark Warner, the seriously tone-deaf OMFG WTH are you doing Clinton loyalist choice would be Terry McAuliffe, and the team of rivals choice would be Tim Kaine.

In Ohio, the statewide choices are more limited because Republicans hold the governorship and one of the senate positions. I think Sherrod Brown, the current Dem senator from Ohio, endorsed Obama in 2008, so he wouldn't be on the loyalist shortlist but he could potentially be considered in the rivals camp. I could have sworn Brian Schweitzer endorsed Clinton in 2008, but I can't find it on the wiki and in any case he's struck out on his own for 2016 so he's not a likely choice if you are in the loyalist camp. I'm not familiar enough with, say, the Colorado guys to know which camp they would be in--both entered office in 2009 and they aren't making too many waves.

My best guess is she picks a loyalist if she maintains her lead in the Dem primaries, or pick an apparently progressive rival if the primary turns a little more fractious. Or she doesn't win the nomination a second time, a possibility that seems discounted in coverage on the subject.



Regarding the OP video, usually a presidential candidate will deny it publicly while their aides will not, meanwhile they will be making speeches in early primary states, going on TV for interviews, building up a political action committee, and lining up donors. Governor Patrick is not doing all the rest of the stuff you need to run for president.

 

[Camikaze]

Does that change if Rubio or another Hispanic is on the GOP ticket?