Peak Human

[CavLancer]

it's not so much what we do with all the unneeded people, but what all the unneeded people do with us...

with peak oil there, will come a time when the latest Chinese made TV's will just cost too much in transportation, people just won't have the excess money to spend driving their cars around,the cost of food will rise, as farmers pay more and more for oil

people will not just sit back and say "awhhh sucks I'm obsolete" they will show their brilliance by growing their own food, composting their refuse and getting their shoes repaired by the young fellow around the corner, they will grow food on the verge down the road, establish community gardens, if I'm still around i would probably be making furniture, and competing with the robotic imports, thats not to say their will still not be rich people driving SUV's around, there will be...

the allocation of resources will become a major topic of conversation for both the rich (think Czarist Russia) and the poor (think Czarist Russia) and the intellectuals (think Czarist Russia) or maybe France so i don't start the whole Stalinist/evil empire/dictatorship smoke screen

people have been talking about sustainability for ages but people have been too busy consuming to listen, peak humans will force people too listen AND take part in that conversation

while we continue to squander vital resources to have a nice front garden, more than some villages survive on in the third world we are just saying "let them eat cake"

it's not what minimum do people live on, but can we actually afford what we live on now...

Well said. :b:

This can happen a lot more in industrial 1st world countries where a lot of people are off the farms and fisheries. Here in the Philippines many of my neighbors have small rice fields which they work themselves or hire, as do we, and dry their rice in the sun by the side of the highway. Water buffaloes are a common sight in the fields. They grow veggies in their yards...these are the salt of the Earth. In the US most of the farms are huge industrial conglomerates. I've seen tremendous harvesters in a series one after another moving across a vast landscape of wheat in the midwest. Energy is used to mine food almost. When the oil runs out, and this will take longer than anyone thought, all these industrial methods will fail. If the oil becomes more expensive than the food produced then the great industrial farms will break up and the people that want to eat will have to grow their food as in early America. Of course that can sustain many less people. The days of the great distractions, TV, computer games, all energy related entertainment will remain only among the very rich. Take oil out of the equation and everything changes, including fertilizer. There just isn't enough bat crap in the world to replace fertilizer from oil, and natural sources will have to be moved. There is coal for quite a while in the US but the train engines are diesel.

Anyone who says, yes but solar, just doesn't understand that renewable is a very small drop in a very large bucket.

Anyway Graffito, I wandered a bit, but your post is one of the best I've seen. The return to our origins is inevitable.

Sustaining 10 billion people with these methods is impossible.