Petition to add Poland

[Titus]

There are other civs more pressing to include IMO, namely:

Babylonia (can't believe they weren't even in the expansion)
Portugal
Holland
Byzantium

Maybes:

Sumeria
Phoenicia
Assyria
Maya
Some North American tribe, like Cherokee, for balance.

 

[a4phantom]

That's a good list. I'd like to see some more African representation, like Ethiopia and the Berbers. Can't say I know a lot about either though.

 

[Antilogic]

There are other civs more pressing to include IMO, namely:

Babylonia (can't believe they weren't even in the expansion)
Portugal
Holland
Byzantium

Maybes:

Sumeria
Phoenicia
Assyria
Maya
Some North American tribe, like Cherokee, for balance.

I call it the Netherlands, but same thing. Assyria is a push, probably, but I'm looking for the Maya and Iroquois myself. Cherokee are probably not going to make it...

I'd put Austria on the list, Poland as well...the more the merrier. You could add Ghana--they had a rather large kingdom if I recall.

 

[Portuguese]

There are other civs more pressing to include IMO, namely:

Babylonia (can't believe they weren't even in the expansion)
Portugal
Holland
Byzantium

Maybes:

Sumeria
Phoenicia
Assyria
Maya
Some North American tribe, like Cherokee, for balance.

Go go Portugal.

And the Polinesians or Vatican, just for the fun of it.
"I was destroyed by Joannus Paulus II!" [dance]
Come on, you have to admit it!!!

 

[ump]

There are other civs more pressing to include IMO, namely:

Babylonia (can't believe they weren't even in the expansion)
Portugal
Holland
Byzantium

Maybes:

Sumeria
Phoenicia
Assyria
Maya
Some North American tribe, like Cherokee, for balance.

I can see Babylonia and Byzantium... but Holland and Portugal? Other than maybe a colonization scenario there is not much use for these countries...

The UU should be partizans that make it near impossible to conquer and hold a Polish city

 

[a4phantom]

Portuguese explorers brought the world together and had a (probably the) lead role in "filling in the map". The Dutch basically invented modern capitalism and had a huge role in creating intercontinental trade. Neither would be my first choice (Babylon), but neither would be absurd, or of "not much use", whatever that may mean.

 

[tomasjj]

I would like to thank the contributors to this thread. It has been an interesting read.

 

[Willowmound]

Precisely. I'm hoping for a dozen civilizations in the next expansion pack.

Me too. There's no real reason why they couldn't include a hundred civs. Seriously. Why not?

Maybe they could outsource civ creation -- pay some of the better modders a modest amount. I'm sure many would do it. All Firaxis would need to do, is make graphics.

 

[Grav]

Poland in Civ? No thanks. I'd rather play against iconic countries that invoke immediate images of culture/war/greatness. I loved Civ II because it only had core civs. I wish they didn't add so many civs in civ 3 and 4. When I want to play an epic game, the last thing I want to be as my competition is a country that is *clearly* dwarfed by such greats as Babylon, Egypt, Spain, China, Japan, India, etc. I want *epic* competition, not some crappy placeholder civ that was only added to appease a couple squeeky wheels.

Call to Power was the worst when it came to that. I hated the absolutely rediculous countries that were included. They invoke no emotion in me, they invoke no images, they are flat and boring, and no matter how much you argue how Poland is not one of those civs... it really honestly is. If anything, they should be removing some of the other lesser civs in the game already included.

 

[Psyringe]

If anything, they should be removing some of the other lesser civs in the game already included.

Nothing stops you from choosing not to play with the civs you don't like.

 

[Grav]

Nothing stops you from choosing not to play with the civs you don't like.

From what I understand, and I could easily be wrong, is that you cannot choose for a civ *not* to be in a game, you can only choose for a civ to definately be *in* a game. I still want randomness in who is picked, and if I have to manually pick my opponents... it's just not as fun. If there is a way to make the game pick from a predetermined ''pool" of civs I'd be willing to play against... great! Is there a way for the game to do this?

 

[Hitti-Litti]

You don't like some civs? Destroy them!

I'm not sure if more is merrier, next expansion should include Babylonia and maybe some colonizing powers.

Netherlands and Portugal could be nice, though then Firaxis should add more colonizing aspects.

 

[Psyringe]

From what I understand, and I could easily be wrong, is that you cannot choose for a civ *not* to be in a game, you can only choose for a civ to definately be *in* a game. I still want randomness in who is picked, and if I have to manually pick my opponents... it's just not as fun. If there is a way to make the game pick from a predetermined ''pool" of civs I'd be willing to play against... great! Is there a way for the game to do this?

No. I thought about hand-picking civs as the most simple solution to your problem. If you don't want to do that, you can use a mod (modding some civs out must be one of the most simple mods possible). Or you can have a friend randomly roll civilizations from your list of accepted civs while you look away. In any case, I don't see a reason why lots of users should have to forgo civilizations they like because some other user(s) don't like them.

 

[Zhahz]

You could probably form a (weak) case to include every country or civilization that has ever existed - since they all had some moment of glory or something. But you have to be realistic, there can only be so many civs within reason included in the retail game and expansions, so they pick the ones that had the most impact, are the most popular, etc.

Then they give you the ability to mod so you can add whatever country/civ/empire/whatever you want.

 

[Vertico]

There are other civs more pressing to include IMO, namely:

Babylonia (can't believe they weren't even in the expansion)
Portugal
Holland
Byzantium

Maybes:

Sumeria
Phoenicia
Assyria
Maya
Some North American tribe, like Cherokee, for balance.

Ok. Let's see. Create a petitions for those who like to add any of those civs.
We will then compare the results Let's see if we would find more than 1000 people willing to add Assyria. Let's try....

 

[Eskel]

Well Vertico, I don't like the Titus' list (e.g. Byzantium is much the same as Rome and Phoenicia as Carthage IMO), but I wouldn't challenge people too much...

I am afraid that most will vote for well known names, while Assyria quite often appears in one of the most popular books ever - the Bible.
North Korea or Iraq, were they powers or werent, have here in forum a lot of supporters, only because they are shown in news almost everyday. From the otherside, we don't vote for powerful empires in e.g. South-East Asia or Sub-Saharan Africa, following gaps in our historical education.

 

[Technocactus]

Assuming the next expansion has 6 more civs, I'd like to see:

Holland
Portugal
Byzantines
Khmer
Maya
Babylon



Reagardless of who I want in, realistically, I don't think Poland has a chance of getting in. The game is already Euro-centric, and I feel that Holland and Portugal have better claims to be in. I think that in order for the game to cater to the masses better, rather than appease a few petition signers for Poland, they could better represent a whole continent like Africa.

 

[Portuguese]

Portuguese explorers brought the world together and had a (probably the) lead role in "filling in the map". The Dutch basically invented modern capitalism and had a huge role in creating intercontinental trade. Neither would be my first choice (Babylon), but neither would be absurd, or of "not much use", whatever that may mean.

Dutch creating intercontinental trade?!?
They were the 3rd Civ to make it, just copying it from their rulers at the time (Spain), who have copied it from the Discoverers of the Way to India and open routes by the Cape of Good Hope (also discovered and named by the same people) with all the Indian Ocean powers: India, Japan and China.

On the invention of Capitalism: they just give liberty for the jews to make what they couldn't do in the Roman Catholic countries, such as Portugal and Spain (from where they were expelled in the 1490's). And modern capitalism was not created: it was being slowly developed since much earlier, step by step, as this historical processes generally do. Per sonally I always disregard the ability to inovate from that civ, although of course they had an empire worth speaking and playing...

 

[a4phantom]

Dutch creating intercontinental trade?!?
They were the 3rd Civ to make it, just copying it from their rulers at the time (Spain), who have copied it from the Discoverers of the Way to India and open routes by the Cape of Good Hope (also discovered and named by the same people) with all the Indian Ocean powers: India, Japan and China.

The Portugese discovered, colonized and raped South America and Asia as well as anyone, and I gave full credit for that. But the actual system of investment, commodities, and banking largely originated in Holland.

On the invention of Capitalism: they just give liberty for the jews to make what they couldn't do in the Roman Catholic countries, such as Portugal and Spain (from where they were expelled in the 1490's).

A notable achievement, wouldn't you say? The fact that Jews played a major role in the Dutch economy is hardly a reason to disregard the Dutch, Jews and all.

And modern capitalism was not created: it was being slowly developed since much earlier, step by step, as this historical processes generally do. Per sonally I always disregard the ability to inovate from that civ, although of course they had an empire worth speaking and playing...

The guy I was responding to felt the same way, except that he also felt that way about Portugal.

 

[Vertico]

Ok. Let's see. Create a petitions for those who like to add any of those civs.
We will then compare the results Let's see if we would find more than 1000 people willing to add Assyria. Let's try....

Come on! I cannot see still any?
No other petitions, means no other needs.
One demand, so Poland should be added, right?