Petition to add Poland
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Charles 22
King
If you weigh whether a nation has been in civ at all as being that more reason to have them in, Portugal was as recent as civ3 (I have no memory if Portugal was in I or II) while Poland is completely absent from the series.
Charles 22
King
A great deal of France had a fascist government running it, Vichy France, which you probably know about.
good one lol!
But anyway, Do you know that Vodka was invented in Poland.
That was an econimical invention to create more domestic demand of great surplus of produced grain
If you want Poland added as independent country, Lithuania should be added too. All the best Poland times was in the unity with Lithuania and at a certain time, Great Duchy of Lithuania was the biggest country in Europe with territory from Baltic to the Black sea.
Eskel
Warlord
You are undoubtedly right, but...
Because of purely egoistic reasons we leave Lithuanians lobbying for Lithuania
To be historically correct, I'd preffer instead of Poland only, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or Three-Nations Republic rather, with leader Joghaila, Sigismund August or Sobieski. But I am not sure would it be clear or wouldnt it broke our petition.
Furthermore, I'd bet not many of my fellow countrymen would share this point of view
Tavenier
King
What must be the UU? An illegal plumber?
The emmigrant. Huge population and productivity bonus to other civs.
Quotey
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also i just want you guys to know that this thread has made me dislike Poland a bit, and wish that we could all speak English :/
I don't know if you're joking, but every country has its dark past. And if everyone spoke English, I'd be out of a job teaching it.
UmwamleLaba - I like the general idea of your post, but I do not agree with the sentence "Poland has been a unified country for a very short period of time (maybe 200 years total)" - I was learning history of Poland for many, many years (as everyone in Poland) and AFAIK Poland is recognized as a country from year 966 (Baptism of Poland). The only sure period that we were not unified country was 1795-1918, so there is still ca 900 years left... We may argue about period around XII century, when there was several Princes of Poland, but as I remember there was always one senior Prince that hold the title of King of Poland.
FoxTrot12 - maybe funny, but offending.
Vertico - I'm not sure if vodka was invented in Poland, many countries like to claim this "invention"
surely we make one of the finest vodka now (we call it "wódka" read: "voodka", it comes from word "woda" which means "water" in Polish).
Ravo - I would gladly see Lithuania in civ, but to be honest I don't think that before Poland
Lithuania controlled larger area - it's true, but 1) those areas were hardly populated those days 2) Lithuanians made up very small portion of the controlled population and 3) in Commonwealth the main power was Poland.
Eskel - I would like to see Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth but i agree that it would be too hard to understand for foreigners - this union was in effect so long time ago that except for Poland and Lithuania people don't know anything about it. I think that it would be 'mission impossible' to convince Firaxis to add such civilization (unless next add-on would be about medieval Europe, then it could be great idea).
a4phantom - Slavian civilization would be strange for me. Mainly because Slavians make up the largest ethnic group in Europe and they would be represented as one civilization, while western civilizations are split into countries... strange. Secondly, Lithuanians does not qualify to this group - they're different ethnic group. Finally, Russians are Slavians as well - so it would be strange to have both civilizations.
I think that adding Poland would balance the representation of Europe in game. I know, it's already represented quite well if we take into consideration count of civs, but Europe is the craddle of modern civilization. It would have also positive impact on sales for Firaxis, because:
1. Poland is an emerging market - we have almost 40mln of citizens with GDP growing almost 6% a year
2. We have up to 20mln people with Polish roots abroad - with up to 10mln in USA alone
3. Slavians in Europe would be more than happy to have two Slavic civilizations in game. Russians are generally not liked in East and Central Europe as they occupied all of it during ca. 1945-1990 and imposed puppet regimes
I don't want to say that adding of Polish civilization will boost civ5 sales, but I think that it will undoubtely increase it.
FoxTrot12 - maybe funny, but offending.
Vertico - I'm not sure if vodka was invented in Poland, many countries like to claim this "invention"
surely we make one of the finest vodka now (we call it "wódka" read: "voodka", it comes from word "woda" which means "water" in Polish). Ravo - I would gladly see Lithuania in civ, but to be honest I don't think that before Poland
Lithuania controlled larger area - it's true, but 1) those areas were hardly populated those days 2) Lithuanians made up very small portion of the controlled population and 3) in Commonwealth the main power was Poland. Eskel - I would like to see Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
but i agree that it would be too hard to understand for foreigners - this union was in effect so long time ago that except for Poland and Lithuania people don't know anything about it. I think that it would be 'mission impossible' to convince Firaxis to add such civilization (unless next add-on would be about medieval Europe, then it could be great idea).a4phantom - Slavian civilization would be strange for me. Mainly because Slavians make up the largest ethnic group in Europe and they would be represented as one civilization, while western civilizations are split into countries... strange. Secondly, Lithuanians does not qualify to this group - they're different ethnic group. Finally, Russians are Slavians as well - so it would be strange to have both civilizations.
I think that adding Poland would balance the representation of Europe in game. I know, it's already represented quite well if we take into consideration count of civs, but Europe is the craddle of modern civilization. It would have also positive impact on sales for Firaxis, because:
1. Poland is an emerging market - we have almost 40mln of citizens with GDP growing almost 6% a year
2. We have up to 20mln people with Polish roots abroad - with up to 10mln in USA alone
3. Slavians in Europe would be more than happy to have two Slavic civilizations in game. Russians are generally not liked in East and Central Europe as they occupied all of it during ca. 1945-1990 and imposed puppet regimes
I don't want to say that adding of Polish civilization will boost civ5 sales, but I think that it will undoubtely increase it.
I knew (and I think said) that Russia or at least the political elite and face of Russia is Slavic. It's true that 'Slavs' don't have the same unified feel as most civs in the game, but neither do Celts or Arabs. I did not know that Lithuanians were a seperate ethnic group though.
Mrdie
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You are all missing the main reason why Poland is not in the game: Manliness.
It sounds cool when you hear "Dude! I was destroyed by the Egyptians!"
It sounds significantly less cool, however, when it's "Dude! I was destroyed by the Polish!"
It sounds cool when you hear "Dude! I was destroyed by the Egyptians!"
It sounds significantly less cool, however, when it's "Dude! I was destroyed by the Polish!"
And how does it sounds for you 'Dude! I was destroyed by Mali!' for me not too good...
The reason why the sentence you've mentioned doesn't sounds too good for you is your lack of European history knowledge. I don't blame you, I know that you are learning almost only history of the USA in schools. Generally I think that level of education in USA is not too good. I'll give you one example: my wife's uncle emigrated (with family) around 1989 to USA - he's two children were in school then. We spoke then about level of education in USA - for example my wife's cousin was in 5rd grade then and in USA he had to learn during math lessons... fractions! Something he learned in Poland in 3rd grade - two years earlier. So unsurprisingly he and his sister had no problems in schools (except for English which they had to learn quickly ).
The reason why the sentence you've mentioned doesn't sounds too good for you is your lack of European history knowledge. I don't blame you, I know that you are learning almost only history of the USA in schools. Generally I think that level of education in USA is not too good. I'll give you one example: my wife's uncle emigrated (with family) around 1989 to USA - he's two children were in school then. We spoke then about level of education in USA - for example my wife's cousin was in 5rd grade then and in USA he had to learn during math lessons... fractions!
Something he learned in Poland in 3rd grade - two years earlier. So unsurprisingly he and his sister had no problems in schools (except for English which they had to learn quickly ).
Mrdie
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I am well aware the US education system is lacking, and I support massive reform.
However, don't take my post seriously. I support putting Poland in, just as I'd support putting many other notable civs in. Poland, at various times, was a very strong nation.
However, don't take my post seriously. I support putting Poland in, just as I'd support putting many other notable civs in. Poland, at various times, was a very strong nation.
And how does it sounds for you 'Dude! I was destroyed by Mali!' for me not too good...
The reason why the sentence you've mentioned doesn't sounds too good for you is your lack of European history knowledge. I don't blame you, I know that you are learning almost only history of the USA in schools. Generally I think that level of education in USA is not too good. I'll give you one example: my wife's uncle emigrated (with family) around 1989 to USA - he's two children were in school then. We spoke then about level of education in USA - for example my wife's cousin was in 5rd grade then and in USA he had to learn during math lessons... fractions!
I learned fractions in 3rd grade. Must be that Polish ancestry striving to overcome my American limitations. Of course so did the other 3rd graders, and most of them were probably of Norwegian or African heritage, and they managed too.
Armorydave
Prince
I have no problem with Poland being added but there are others that I would prefer to see first. Generally speaking, the more the merrier.
Precisely. I'm hoping for a dozen civilizations in the next expansion pack.
haha, thats hilarious
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