Petition To Put Martin Luther in the Game As a Playable Leader

[Albertan Civfanatic]

That’s not an accurate comparison.
Luther did much more than merely nail the 95 Theses to the church door at Wittenberg and then *boom*, the forces of history bring about the Reformation.
His particular theological contributions and his character gave shape to it in the form that we know.
A Reformation or conciliar movement without Luther might’ve addressed corruption such as Simony and Nepotism, as eventually happened with the counter-Reformation.
But Luther’s emphasis on freedom of conscience as expressed in his address to the Diet of Worms made the Protestant Reformation a much more fundamental challenge to the ecclesiology underlying Roman Catholicism.
The immediate effect was the erosion of papal authority over huge swaths of Christendom.
The long term effect from which we benefit today was the fuller articulation of freedom of conscience as seen in places like the First Amendment.


-Martin Luther, 1521
These are words which have echoed down the centuries and continue to shape our daily lives to the present day.

Well stated.

 

[AD1730]

Absolutely he should be in. If they are separating leaders from civs, it opens up an entire roster of people like Luther who had massive impacts on history but not as a leaders of government, military, etc.

 

[Willie5000]

Why would he be a leader for America or France?

Because the Protestant Work Ethic is the Spirit of American Capitalism.

 

[j51]

Because the Protestant Work Ethic is the Spirit of American Capitalism.

That’s kinda more of a Calvinist thing though.

 

[Zaarin]

Because the Protestant Work Ethic is the Spirit of American Capitalism.

The "Protestant work ethic" doesn't really have anything to do with Protestantism; it's just a byproduct of religious pluralism shifting public focus to commercialism.

 

[TheSpaceCowboy]

The "Protestant work ethic" doesn't really have anything to do with Protestantism; it's just a byproduct of religious pluralism shifting public focus to commercialism.

I’d say it’s arguably a result of Luther’s opposition to monasticism, and the corresponding increase in the number and value of non-religious vocations

 

[TheGrayFox]

I voted maybe because I don't like the move towards using non-heads of state/great people as leaders but since they already made the move sure. Martin Luther is definitely an important and interesting enough figure to make a leader from

 

[Zaarin]

I’d say it’s arguably a result of Luther’s opposition to monasticism, and the corresponding increase in the number and value of non-religious vocations

Valuing all labor as sacred is a Catholic belief as well as a Protestant one. The shifted emphasis to commercialism was the result of privatization of religion. Civic energy has to be focused somewhere, and if it's not on religious celebrations and public devotions then mercantilism and industry is a natural place to shift it.

 

[luca 83]

yes. if we then consider the consequences: Calvin, Munster, the 30 years war and the English schism

 

[Hellenism Salesman]

Luther was obviously a prolific and influential writer. What I'm interested in is if his hand-translations of the Bible would result in any Science or Culture bonuses in his abilities.

 

[TheSpaceCowboy]

How great would it have been if Luther was part of the Polygon leak?

 

[Siptah]

Luther was obviously a prolific and influential writer. What I'm interested in is if his hand-translations of the Bible would result in any Science or Culture bonuses in his abilities.

The most obvious bonus would be a unique religion with unique perks („Lutheranism“). But this makes no sense in civ 7.

Hence, would guess on cultural and diplomatic, with a focus on IPs. While he wasn‘t necessarily the most diplomatic person, it was nonetheless diplomacy that kept him alive and made his teachings durable. Many rulers preferred Protestant or Reformed beliefs not for theology alone, but for the at least perceived higher independence from Rome and Vienna.

For cultural/scientific leaders of that time frame and region of the world, Gutenberg and Erasmus are much better choices imo.

 

[Albertan Civfanatic]

It would also be nice to see Wittenberg placed in the game as an Independent People, like it was a city state in Civ 5

 

[Oberst Kraft]

It would also be nice to see Wittenberg placed in the game as an Independent People, like it was a city state in Civ 5

What kind, since there are no religious IPs in Civ 7?

 

[Krikkit1]

What kind, since there are no religious IPs in Civ 7?

Cultural (Religion=Culture and Happiness in Civ 7)

 

[Siptah]

Alternatively: science. The local (freshly founded) university was very important for the reformation.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Martin Luther did not set out to break from the Catholic Church, and when it became clear that a break with the Catholic Church was unavoidable, he did not set out to create freedom of religion, either. He set out to create a new catholic church around his own beliefs. The shattering of Western Christendom, religious pluralism, and ultimately secularism were outcomes none except the most radical of the reformers intended.

I also see Luther more not as the person who initiated the Reformation, but who accelerated by taking a proverbial crowbar at it and forcing it open. If you make his abilities affect Pantheons and Ideologies, you can have a leader like him.

He's a good choice, but we should also consider Erasmus and Hus as alternatives, which would work for the sake of diversity (getting in that low country or central slavic leader in ahead of / in lieu of their Civilizations)

 

[Albertan Civfanatic]

Civ 5 had Wittenberg. Keep the tradition alive!

 

[Albertan Civfanatic]

Luther should be placed in the game on October 31 this year.

 

[Krikkit1]

Luther should be placed in the game on October 31 this year.

October 31 in 2 years (510th anniversary)