PH09: The King and We
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GreyFox
Make it so ...
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pholkhero
Deviant Mind
forgot about this ~ thought this was PH08!! and i'd already posted my turns from that
Tonight, Tonight
I'll play this, Tonight
Ho-ope-ful-ley
that'll be allllrighhhhht
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
Turn 130/750 (750 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:23:23]
Okay, i know i'm past my 72 hours but unfortunately, RL has been more than I thought it would be. Im already in front of GreyFox in his game, so thats punishment enough.
To the game: i'm going to chant Teo to the Jag and then keep going! Press Enter.
Teotihuacan begins: Jaguar (9 turns)
Interestingly, on the IBT:
Attitude Change: Napoleon(France) towards Saladin(Arabia), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Might be something we can exploit somehow ~
Turn 131/750 (725 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:24:56]
I MM a bit @ Teo. We might have time for 2 jags before Pop4.
Turn 132/750 (700 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:26:05]
The settler is done @ Tenoch. Im going with a lighthouse quickly there to grow faster And Im sending the settler to Cowtown.
Turn 133/750 (675 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:27:04]
IBT:
Nevermind. Attitude Change: Napoleon(France) towards Saladin(Arabia), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Turn 134/750 (650 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:27:12]
Recon photos from Orelans:
Teotihuacan finishes: Jaguar
IBT:
Chruchill has monarchy. Civics Change: Churchill(England) from 'Despotism' to 'Hereditary Rule'
Turn 135/750 (625 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:27:34]
I'm sending that archer north to check on their iron, and also that other city, Lyons.
@ Teo, a forest chop sped up a Jag @ Teo, and then itll both grow to 4 and pop out the other Jag in 6 turns. I'm sending our workers to cottage that silk for now at Teo, too.
Turn 136/750 (600 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:28:42]
Hurray! City #3 in 600 bc. Tlatelolco founded
Tlatelolco begins: Granary (90 turns)
Turn 137/750 (575 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:29:30]
Bismarck goes to Islam. We should have a city dedicated to getting out some missionaries.
Turn 138/750 (550 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:29:47]
Lyons:
Turn 139/750 (525 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:30:04]
What do we say we try and build up a small enough force to take these 2 cities ~ maybe 6/7 jags?? We can whip them out quick enough, I think. If we do it, I think speed will be of the essence, and we might be able to take Orleans with 5 or even 4 jags, if we want to do it ASAP!
Turn 142/750 (470 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:31:18]
Napoleon founds Tours in a nowhere spot.
Turn 145/750 (425 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:32:24]
Nothing much else happened this set, but pressing enter.
Heres the garrison at Orleans:
We can take Orleans, then move up to Lyons. Keep those 2 and then raze Tours.
Make peace. Whaddaya think??
I also whipped that settler in Teo. He can be sent to either Crabs or Wheat/Sheep (or Wheat/Horses if we'd prefer that, but i still vote for the sheep one, too). Also, churchill is pretty high on the Power list right now ~ he's at 0.6.
Here's teh Roster and Save:
pholkhero >> just played
pigswill >> UP NOW
GreyFox >> on deck
beserks01
Crotazzo
Simon_c
Negyvenketto
Okay, i know i'm past my 72 hours but unfortunately, RL has been more than I thought it would be. Im already in front of GreyFox in his game, so thats punishment enough.
To the game: i'm going to chant Teo to the Jag and then keep going! Press Enter.
Teotihuacan begins: Jaguar (9 turns)
Interestingly, on the IBT:
Attitude Change: Napoleon(France) towards Saladin(Arabia), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Might be something we can exploit somehow ~
Turn 131/750 (725 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:24:56]
I MM a bit @ Teo. We might have time for 2 jags before Pop4.
Turn 132/750 (700 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:26:05]
The settler is done @ Tenoch. Im going with a lighthouse quickly there to grow faster And Im sending the settler to Cowtown.
Turn 133/750 (675 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:27:04]
IBT:
Nevermind. Attitude Change: Napoleon(France) towards Saladin(Arabia), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Turn 134/750 (650 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:27:12]
Recon photos from Orelans:
Teotihuacan finishes: Jaguar
IBT:
Chruchill has monarchy. Civics Change: Churchill(England) from 'Despotism' to 'Hereditary Rule'
Turn 135/750 (625 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:27:34]
I'm sending that archer north to check on their iron, and also that other city, Lyons.
@ Teo, a forest chop sped up a Jag @ Teo, and then itll both grow to 4 and pop out the other Jag in 6 turns. I'm sending our workers to cottage that silk for now at Teo, too.
Turn 136/750 (600 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:28:42]
Hurray! City #3 in 600 bc. Tlatelolco founded
Tlatelolco begins: Granary (90 turns)
Turn 137/750 (575 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:29:30]
Bismarck goes to Islam. We should have a city dedicated to getting out some missionaries.
Turn 138/750 (550 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:29:47]
Lyons:
Turn 139/750 (525 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:30:04]
What do we say we try and build up a small enough force to take these 2 cities ~ maybe 6/7 jags?? We can whip them out quick enough, I think. If we do it, I think speed will be of the essence, and we might be able to take Orleans with 5 or even 4 jags, if we want to do it ASAP!
Turn 142/750 (470 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:31:18]
Napoleon founds Tours in a nowhere spot.
Turn 145/750 (425 BC) [23-Oct-2007 12:32:24]
Nothing much else happened this set, but pressing enter.
Heres the garrison at Orleans:
We can take Orleans, then move up to Lyons. Keep those 2 and then raze Tours.
Make peace. Whaddaya think??
I also whipped that settler in Teo. He can be sent to either Crabs or Wheat/Sheep (or Wheat/Horses if we'd prefer that, but i still vote for the sheep one, too). Also, churchill is pretty high on the Power list right now ~ he's at 0.6.
Here's teh Roster and Save:
pholkhero >> just played
pigswill >> UP NOW
GreyFox >> on deck
beserks01
Crotazzo
Simon_c
Negyvenketto
pigswill
fly (one day)
Save??????
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
d'oh ~ that's getting to be a habit of mine
pigswill
fly (one day)
Oh, that save.
Got it.
Had a look. We seem to be doing a lot of infrastructure builds if we're heading for a quick war. Be worth building an axe to escort our jags.
We could whip LH in Teno and use overflow for the axe but its going to be a few turns before we have a stack in place.
Agree with sheep/wheat city. Crab city is probably not worth building.
Got it.
Had a look. We seem to be doing a lot of infrastructure builds if we're heading for a quick war. Be worth building an axe to escort our jags.
We could whip LH in Teno and use overflow for the axe but its going to be a few turns before we have a stack in place.
Agree with sheep/wheat city. Crab city is probably not worth building.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
I wasn't sure if we WERE going to go w/the quick war, but the LH will help us grow faster from whipping ~ we should have a couple jags ready, so maybe another couple-three more and an axe or two, head for Orleans?? Hopefully, Nappy is in the new AI "overexpand, lightly defend" mode for a bit longer.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
Not that i'm one to talk after my last posting, but . . .
*ahem*
*ahem*
GreyFox
Make it so ...
He is busy retrofitting pigs with wings ... a futile attempt I must say. To get a pig to fly, is actually pretty simple. Just hang on to the pig for an eon, and it will fly .... why? Cause then you get a pigeon.
pigswill
fly (one day)
Sorry for the delay chaps. I've played my turns, report to follow shortly.
I'm currently doing the moving-from-monarch-to-emperor thing at the moment, which ain't going well (even on BtS) so I'm becoming frustrated and demoralised. which paradoxically is putting me off Civ at the moment. When you see my report you may well think it looks more like someone moving-from-settler-to-warlord but that's how it is.
I'm currently doing the moving-from-monarch-to-emperor thing at the moment, which ain't going well (even on BtS) so I'm becoming frustrated and demoralised. which paradoxically is putting me off Civ at the moment. When you see my report you may well think it looks more like someone moving-from-settler-to-warlord but that's how it is.
pigswill
fly (one day)
No just a premature report.
pigswill
fly (one day)
T1. Teot settler>rax
T2.
Teot rax>axe
Teno LH>jag.
T3 zzz
T4 zzz
T5.
Oracle bidl.
Texcoco founded:
T6 zzz
T7 zzz
T8 zzz
T9 zzz
T10
Teno jag>gran
Teot axe>jag
T11 whip gran in Teno.
T12.
CoL>Maths.
Confu founded in Tlatelco.
Trade CoL to Bis for Alph.
Trade CoL to Ram for monarchy.
T13.
Nap demands crabs (no puerile sniggers please). Reject his empty threats.
Demand Tours from Nap. Refused.
T14.
Taoism spreads to Lyons.
Whip gran in Tlatelco.
T15. Tlatelco gran>monument.
Our 'army' consists of axe, 4 jags, axe and jag nearing completion. Orleans is defended by arch, 2 axes.
We could adopt HR for happiness. We could also switch from Taoism to NSR which would cost us some happy (compensated by HR) but would give us culture in confu cities and would ease diplomacy significantly.
Possible city site:
T2.
Teot rax>axe
Teno LH>jag.
T3 zzz
T4 zzz
T5.
Oracle bidl.
Texcoco founded:
T6 zzz
T7 zzz
T8 zzz
T9 zzz
T10
Teno jag>gran
Teot axe>jag
T11 whip gran in Teno.
T12.
CoL>Maths.
Confu founded in Tlatelco.
Trade CoL to Bis for Alph.
Trade CoL to Ram for monarchy.
T13.
Nap demands crabs (no puerile sniggers please). Reject his empty threats.
Demand Tours from Nap. Refused.
T14.
Taoism spreads to Lyons.
Whip gran in Tlatelco.
T15. Tlatelco gran>monument.
Our 'army' consists of axe, 4 jags, axe and jag nearing completion. Orleans is defended by arch, 2 axes.
We could adopt HR for happiness. We could also switch from Taoism to NSR which would cost us some happy (compensated by HR) but would give us culture in confu cities and would ease diplomacy significantly.
Possible city site:
GreyFox
Make it so ...
Definitely a revolt to HR, there after would be a merciless application of whips on Tenochitilan -- just need to keep adding archers to keep city happy.
Not too sure abt NSR though ...
Got it for later tonight or tomorrow morning.
Not too sure abt NSR though ...
Got it for later tonight or tomorrow morning.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
oh goodness ~ another one of these, Fox, and I'll have to kick you out of the game. This is PHolkhero09, not PHox09
don't know why, but I'm lmao over that ~ nice turns, and i agree that your crab village is a WHOLE lot better than mine ~ a nice little commerce town! Might be nice to get that on board in the not-too-distant future to help defray military costs.
I agree on HR, and think no religion, even for just enough turns to get Tlat to pop, will be a good move for now. course, it'll make Churchill a little peeved, but we can (and should) swap back once the borders pop.
I trust you to take the war to Nappy, Fox ~ we also don't need to go down to 10 turns for this war unless it gets to be overwhelming
oh, and a roster so that I don't have to search for it after fox's turns:
pholkhero
pigswill >> just played
GreyFox >> UP NOW
beserks01 >> on deck
Crotazzo
Simon_c
Negyvenketto
GreyFox
Make it so ...
Ok, we are spiritual, so changing to No-State-Religion for cultural border pop is probably a valid move. Hence, on 200 BC:
Always revolt civic before religion to avoid cool down. Meanwhile, the confucian missionary is sent to confuse the northern city. A jaguar takes the same ride, but his mission is to go pillage the french source of iron.
When the pillagers are in position, we declared.
Incidentally, Nappy was touching his head when I told him where it would look good at ...
Our forces moved in and pillages the copper and freshly-built iron mine. Grabbed two workers in the process.
Nappy responded by bribing QSH.
Bad move, Nappy. The Chinese will be a phony war. Too far away to have any effect.
Orleans is guarded by axes and archers and a chariot. With 40% cultural defense, I decided to go south and discovered his source of horses. Promptly pillaged.
With the threat of chariots retaliation removed, our jaguars and axes take Rheims, at the cost of 1 Jaguar vs 3 arhers:
The situation:
Orleans:
This will be a tough one. Continue pumping Jags and axe, and once we have at least twice as many attackers as there are defenders, we can go for it. The question is can we produce axes/Jags faster than Napolean can churn out archers. I think we can, if the whip is used relentlessly (see later).
Lyons:
Plan is to pillage the farm. But don't wander too deep for pillaging, need to keep checking the iron there to ensure it is not being reconnected.
Sorry about the spear being queued. When I saw the chariot, I decided to build a few spears. But then after killing the chariot (when it killed one of our axe and was left in open) and pillaging the horse pasture, the spear is no longer needed.
Now, whipping. The best part about going HR and having a relatively high food city is that you can whip the city perpetually without any red faces popping up. The trick is to always whip for 2 pop, and for every 2~3 whips, overflow into 1 archer for MP duty. Now, because spear/axe/Jags all cost 52 hammers, to whip for 2 pop, you need to MM the city carefully for growth and control the hammers output so that you produce only 6 hammers on the first turn of a unit.
This way, the city can whipped for 2 pops next turn, and the hammer overflow will allow the next axe/Jag to be produce normally while the city grow back 2 pops. Then rinse and repeat.
Cultural pop will occur the next turn, so remember to switch back to Taoism to add a happy face back into the capitol.
Always revolt civic before religion to avoid cool down. Meanwhile, the confucian missionary is sent to confuse the northern city. A jaguar takes the same ride, but his mission is to go pillage the french source of iron.
When the pillagers are in position, we declared.
Incidentally, Nappy was touching his head when I told him where it would look good at ...
Our forces moved in and pillages the copper and freshly-built iron mine. Grabbed two workers in the process.
Nappy responded by bribing QSH.
Bad move, Nappy. The Chinese will be a phony war. Too far away to have any effect.
Orleans is guarded by axes and archers and a chariot. With 40% cultural defense, I decided to go south and discovered his source of horses. Promptly pillaged.
With the threat of chariots retaliation removed, our jaguars and axes take Rheims, at the cost of 1 Jaguar vs 3 arhers:
The situation:
Orleans:
This will be a tough one. Continue pumping Jags and axe, and once we have at least twice as many attackers as there are defenders, we can go for it. The question is can we produce axes/Jags faster than Napolean can churn out archers. I think we can, if the whip is used relentlessly (see later).
Lyons:
Sorry about the spear being queued. When I saw the chariot, I decided to build a few spears. But then after killing the chariot (when it killed one of our axe and was left in open) and pillaging the horse pasture, the spear is no longer needed.
Now, whipping. The best part about going HR and having a relatively high food city is that you can whip the city perpetually without any red faces popping up. The trick is to always whip for 2 pop, and for every 2~3 whips, overflow into 1 archer for MP duty. Now, because spear/axe/Jags all cost 52 hammers, to whip for 2 pop, you need to MM the city carefully for growth and control the hammers output so that you produce only 6 hammers on the first turn of a unit.
This way, the city can whipped for 2 pops next turn, and the hammer overflow will allow the next axe/Jag to be produce normally while the city grow back 2 pops. Then rinse and repeat.
Cultural pop will occur the next turn, so remember to switch back to Taoism to add a happy face back into the capitol.
>>> The Save (25 AD) <<<
Spoiler :
berserks01
Obviously Very Confused
Hmmm ... i see ....
.... ah, so just whip when you feel like it'd do the most good, ok gotcha 
I've got it then.
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
Looking good, Fox. Napoleon's thought bubble was pretty frickin' funny! "I'm not so sure it would . . . ARRGH. . . (gurgle)"
besersks has got it, so we're in good hands
"I'm not so sure it would . . . ARRGH. . . (gurgle)"besersks has got it, so we're in good hands
berserks01
Obviously Very Confused
As always with Fox playing before me I left everything as is and just hit enter.
Whipped the axe at Tenochtitlan and switched back to Tao.
Orleans is too strong to take, so I sent a small stack towards Tours, which is easier to take. And sure enough, it's ours
However, on hindsight, I shouldn't've kept it. There's no food/resources whatsoever. So consider that my
moment.
Other than that, it's mostly a builders turnset for me.
The situation at Orleans is still as bad as ever.
The only way is to hopefully lure some archers out with a worker so it's easier to take, but that's a task for somebody else
Whipped the axe at Tenochtitlan and switched back to Tao.
Orleans is too strong to take, so I sent a small stack towards Tours, which is easier to take. And sure enough, it's ours
However, on hindsight, I shouldn't've kept it. There's no food/resources whatsoever. So consider that my
moment.Other than that, it's mostly a builders turnset for me.
The situation at Orleans is still as bad as ever.
The only way is to hopefully lure some archers out with a worker so it's easier to take, but that's a task for somebody else
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