Sorry for the delay folks. I somehow thought my promotion was conditional on rolo not being able to play rather than the bold letters saying "pindicator is up" -- whoops! Well, I'm back from the oregon coast and I am playing asap to get this game rolling again. Further apologies -- image uploading isn't working for me w/ photobucket and I need to get ready for work. Pictures tonight! And the save isn't uploading either... Well, here's the link for when it does come through: http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=193301&d=1225720316 So I'll take the advice given so far and bulb Philosophy Taoism is founded in New York. I'm thinking that the missionary should go to China -- just for the discord, but perhaps this should be up for discussion? IT- Hatty asks us to cancel deals with China. Since we're going to go after Hatty sooner than Qin, I tell her no. However, Qin offers a deal that I do accept. Without his gold we would have had to lower the slider next turn. means the other AIs aren't playing nice we also had 2 foreign preists born, one of them was used for: So if we can make Qin either Taoist or Confucian it's pretty certain he can hate Hatty all the more for us. Next up is Construction in 6, although unless we can fix our gold supplies (merchant specialist?) we will need to lower the slider. After that I like MC -> Machinery while building catapults.