Sims2789
Fool me once...
so says the admitidly fascist.
Pimping
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so says the admitidly fascist.
EdwardTking
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Execute Pimps
Sims2789
Fool me once...
a study was done once on "managers" in the USA and 66% of them physically or sexually abused their ho's. by the way, what country do you live in? Netherlands? In the USA, the federal government hasn't illigalized prostitution, but every state except Nevada has.
Cecasander
King
I agree with that
metalhead
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Morality has very little to do with it, and besides, just because you think it's immoral doesn't make it so. I personally find prostitutes repulsive, but still see nothing wrong with someone visiting one. Murder is a completely different case - there is actual demonstrable harm, ie a dead person, caused by murder. But what is the harm of prostitution? The way a pimp treats the prostitute may be harmful to her, but if you legalize it, it can be institutionalized so that it's handled by reputable businessmen, a la Nevada, instead of street criminals. This would be but one example of how relaxing moral codes with respect to laws would create a vast social benefit.
The thing that awes me about prostitution is that someone would actually ask for money for having sex with someone else. What shocks me more is that people readily give over a lot of money to have sex with someone. How desperate can one be?
Guess I'm just naive.
But other than my two shocks, I'm not upset over it. I've said it before else where, I don't care what other people do so long as it doesn't hurt me.
Guess I'm just naive.
But other than my two shocks, I'm not upset over it. I've said it before else where, I don't care what other people do so long as it doesn't hurt me.
Stapel
FIAT 850 coupé
Why fight prostitution at all?
Anyway, most pimps here (NL) are owners of rooms in window-prostitution streets. Some others are club owners. Usually they are decent persons, and in many cases women.
The whole pimp idea applies more to illegal girls (South americans or Eastern Europeans). That is a really nasty business, that comes close to modern slavery. The Dutch justice system has already adopted Sims' idea. But it is very hard to find girls that want to testify, as they have no rights, because they are here illegal.
Illegal girls here offer (or rather: are forced to offer) their services at half prices or less.
Anyway, most pimps here (NL) are owners of rooms in window-prostitution streets. Some others are club owners. Usually they are decent persons, and in many cases women.
The whole pimp idea applies more to illegal girls (South americans or Eastern Europeans). That is a really nasty business, that comes close to modern slavery. The Dutch justice system has already adopted Sims' idea. But it is very hard to find girls that want to testify, as they have no rights, because they are here illegal.
Illegal girls here offer (or rather: are forced to offer) their services at half prices or less.
philippe
FYI, I chase trains.
Pimps are people with no respect for the womens body (ya know) but it is a kind of a hard (oh my god....) situation. so i think whores should be selled ( or offered her services as you like ) by the state.
Sims2789
Fool me once...
in California that won't work, since their pimp, who will be the govorner, will sexually abuse them.
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What would you call the future breeding vats that will be required to produce your soldiers?
Archer 007
Rebirth
Unless they dont have hands, I can see your point.
Stapel
FIAT 850 coupé
1. Let us asume you do not have a wife or girlfriend and that you have no problem having a one night sex affair with a very attractive lady you just met.
2. You find yourself in a situation that you can spend $ 10 million of your company's money, but have to choose the supplier. This will all happen a 1000 miles from home, and you have to spend a week in a hotel.
3. The suppliers do not try to bribe you, but do try to make you feel comfortable.
4. You accept dinners, a golf match and a few drinks at night in the hotel bar.
5. Being bored, you and one of the suppliers decide to visit a night club
6. At the nightclub, these two very attractive ladies seem to fancy you and the supplier dude. You manage to talk one of them into your hotelroom.
7. The next morning you think you are king. You and this supplier guy are friends for life.
8. you will never find out the supplier paid the women.
BINGO
From the other side:
If there is a demand, there will be a supply. What if so few women want to sell their body, that it drives up prices to 10k per night? Any fair looking girl can be a millionair within a year then!
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
Summer camp.
anarres
anarchist revolutionary
The problem is not with prostitution but the constant physical and mental abuse many of these women suffer at the hands of pimps and clients.
Since prostitution is the oldest trade it is hard to imagine ever stopping it. Indeed, if you look past the official Church stance (pick a Church, any Church) the majority of people don't consider prostitution a problem. More importantly, if it were not for the abuse, it would be one of the best and most well paid jobs around.
Taking this in to consideration, why not legalise it? You remove the pimp as combined dealer/pusher/abuser thereby increasing the safty of the women. You also remove the immediate availability of class a drugs with which many are held in to abusive relationships, and you raise tax money. Finally, all 'buisiness' is conducted on licensed premises making it almost impossible for a man to abuse a prostitute and get away with it.
Oh course, there are conservative lobby groups, the Church lobby groups, the organised crime syndicates, the republican groups (and I guess quite a few 'liberal' groups oppose it too?). All of these organisations oppose legalisation of prostitution and all of them need to take responsibility for furthering the ongoing abuse of millions of women around the world (at least in most western countries).
Since prostitution is the oldest trade it is hard to imagine ever stopping it. Indeed, if you look past the official Church stance (pick a Church, any Church) the majority of people don't consider prostitution a problem. More importantly, if it were not for the abuse, it would be one of the best and most well paid jobs around.
Taking this in to consideration, why not legalise it? You remove the pimp as combined dealer/pusher/abuser thereby increasing the safty of the women. You also remove the immediate availability of class a drugs with which many are held in to abusive relationships, and you raise tax money. Finally, all 'buisiness' is conducted on licensed premises making it almost impossible for a man to abuse a prostitute and get away with it.
Oh course, there are conservative lobby groups, the Church lobby groups, the organised crime syndicates, the republican groups (and I guess quite a few 'liberal' groups oppose it too?). All of these organisations oppose legalisation of prostitution and all of them need to take responsibility for furthering the ongoing abuse of millions of women around the world (at least in most western countries).
While these points are good, and I'm sure it happens, I've seen too many episodes of Cops to suggest that this is not the norm over here. Maybe it's more common on your side of the pond, but here it's mostly the skanky one's that seem to be prostitutes. Now, if you were to go to Nevada, and a brothel (or whatever they use to pass for one there) I'm sure the class of women would be better. But your corner type prosititutes. . . well, one is almost temped to say that the money is flowing the wrong way. Of course, the johns are much more to look at.
This I find far more realistic over here. Supply and demand is indeed king in this country. As many others, I'm sure.
I dunno. . . I just find the thought of money for sex to be repulsive. . .while sex can be related to nothing more than scratching an itch (a poor analogy), I've always done it with women I cared about. Except for the one time, which did nothing more than reinforce my belief that it should be shared between two people who care about each other, and not just whomever's convenient.
Stapel
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When things are out of sight, it doesn't mean they aren't there!
The most 'in sight' prostitution here, is window prostitution. One block from my home, there are two streets with 100 windows. The girls there are fair looking, some look really good. Just a mile further there is another street, with bad-looking women; the type you describe. On the corner of the 2 streets I mentioned first, there is a parking garage, where I park my blue love. Most of the spots are reserved for 'the ladies', so I ocassionally meet some of them and talk to them after 'work'. These girls seem fairly educated and make good money.
The 'top' good looking girls work in clubs. Especially in countries / states where prostitution is illegal, you won't see a piece of it. Even here clubs are a bit hidden.
I live at a small square, and accros my home, there is a club. In fatc it is one of The Hague's most exclusive brothels. I only found out after living here for almost a year.
The owner of the club is just your next door guy. Except he has a good-running business and drives a 1925 Bugatti.
Agree: Sex with a woman you do not really care about is not even half as good as sex with a woman you do care about.
Disagree: Sex with a woman you do not really care about isn't exactly unpleasant, I think.
Having prostitution illegal doesn't stop it. There are still plenty of people who do it illegally, and around here there are "full" escort services... the man pays the lady for her company for the evening... then the two of them just decide to go at it. Not technically prostitution.
If its legal at least you could get govt regulations, unions etc to protect the women somewhat.
If its legal at least you could get govt regulations, unions etc to protect the women somewhat.
Kinda how I see it, too. Legalize everything, and regulate the hell out of it.
Stapel
FIAT 850 coupé
Pretty much what we have here.
But there will always be the illegal circuit. That is really a stinking business!
