Piracy at Poor Country
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Grohan
Bug-hunter
If a potential customer pirates his games then the company loses money. But if you are really poor (I mean poor not "poor") and you pirate games then the company doesn't lose any money because you aren't potential customer who may never be able to buy their games.
So IMO it's OK for poor people to pirate games as long as they don't buy their games from mafia or other organized crime groups that support drug trade, prostitution, illegal arms trade etc.
So IMO it's OK for poor people to pirate games as long as they don't buy their games from mafia or other organized crime groups that support drug trade, prostitution, illegal arms trade etc.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Paradigne said:
I don't think many people actually walk into a store, take a videogame, stuff it into their pants, and walk out without paying, compared to the number of people who illegally download games.
You're right, people who do that probably don't end up going back and buying the game.
But some people who download a game illegally to check out if it's any good certainly do. How much such practices have contributed to video game sales is also debatable, however.
Grohan said:
If you're really poor then you won't own a computer.
My only sympathies in this area go to people that are unable to get a legit copy of a game in their country (as it appears Sliver is), although I still think there are way around it (such as Direct to Drive).
Leatherneck
Drive-by poster.
Seems to me if you have time to set around and play games and post polls on forums then you have time to go out and get an education to get a better job, or even get a second job and save up and buy a LEGAL copy. Pirated copies is one of reason the price will never come down, they have to make their money off of those of us that buy legitimate/legal copies.
A computer is a luxury having a computer to play games is a big luxury having a computer to play games and surf the internet is a yet bigger luxury. Doesn't seem to me you life is that hard at all. Now if you are living in a drit hut, eating bugs and rice every day and being oppressed, then maybe I might give you a look of concern.
A computer is a luxury having a computer to play games is a big luxury having a computer to play games and surf the internet is a yet bigger luxury. Doesn't seem to me you life is that hard at all. Now if you are living in a drit hut, eating bugs and rice every day and being oppressed, then maybe I might give you a look of concern.
Gladi
The ignored thread killer
Leatherneck said:
Proof? The pirating puts a pressure on market for sure, but market can work other ways than putting costs into the sky. Shareware, expendable content, official (and working
) online gaming support...And thanks for telling to go study, it is summer holidays here in northern hemisphere right now though. But don't worry I am going to school in september.
Wolfe Tone
Which Way Did He Go?
Does anyone really believe that if everyone who pirated games stopped right now and went out and bought copies that the price would come down. The publishers would see their increased profits and conclude they must be doing something right and continue selling games at such a high price as people are willing to pay it.
Leatherneck
Drive-by poster.
Gladi said:Proof? The pirating puts a pressure on market for sure, but market can work other ways than putting costs into the sky. Shareware, expendable content, official (and working
Now read closely, I said it was ONE REASON not the only reason.
Wolfe Tone said:
We'll never know because pirating will never stop.
Gladi
The ignored thread killer
Leatherneck said:
Well still waiting for proof. Good night till then.
Leatherneck
Drive-by poster.
Gladi said:
Do you not have the internet? Go look it up, I'm not your lacky.
Scratcher
Emperor
I can vouch for what Sliver posted earlier. I worked for over a year in the northern parts of peninsular Malaysia and finding any original computer software, including games was impossible. Even in shopping malls, pirated games, software, DVD's and music are the only goods available. They cost next to nothing and therefore the real Macoy doesn't get a look in.
In these locations your moral point of view has to take a back seat. You can only buy what is locally available.
In these locations your moral point of view has to take a back seat. You can only buy what is locally available.
If someone downloads it to see if they like it (or it works okay on their machine), then buy it because they want to reward the copyright owners, why is that dumb?Paradigne said:
If it's dumb because it costs you, then it's dumb to buy anyway, not to copy it (I presume you mean that, not stealing).
If it's dumb to copy it, then I don't see why it's dumber to then buy it. Why is it dumb to copy it?
Leatherneck
Drive-by poster.
mdwh said:
Man your fast I thought the Internet was much bigger than a few minutes look see. Frankly I don't care what you believe, point is illegal is illegal. Google that.
aneeshm
Deity
Two things here .
The first is that when somebody buys a pirated game , his share of the wrongdoing is very little . This is because , considering the free market scenario we have here , from the point of view of the customer , there are two people offering the same game , only one at a lower price . There is , no doubt , some small moral responsibility on the part of the purchaser , but the bulk of the responsibility lies with the person who pirated the game - the pirate games dealer .
Secondly - another very big reason for piracy is that a large number of times , games are simply not available on the open market in countries like India or Indonesia . That is why people who are willing to pay for a game still have to resort to piracy , in spite of their moral dislike for it . This is the only one situation I consider piracy justified in ( assuming , of course , that when the games do become available , these people purchase them ) .
There is a third , and more interesting scenario . There are people who pirate a game when it comes out , wait a few years for its price to drop , then purchase it . How morally excusable is this ?
The first is that when somebody buys a pirated game , his share of the wrongdoing is very little . This is because , considering the free market scenario we have here , from the point of view of the customer , there are two people offering the same game , only one at a lower price . There is , no doubt , some small moral responsibility on the part of the purchaser , but the bulk of the responsibility lies with the person who pirated the game - the pirate games dealer .
Secondly - another very big reason for piracy is that a large number of times , games are simply not available on the open market in countries like India or Indonesia . That is why people who are willing to pay for a game still have to resort to piracy , in spite of their moral dislike for it . This is the only one situation I consider piracy justified in ( assuming , of course , that when the games do become available , these people purchase them ) .
There is a third , and more interesting scenario . There are people who pirate a game when it comes out , wait a few years for its price to drop , then purchase it . How morally excusable is this ?
aneeshm
Deity
Truronian said:
Many people don't have the sort of fast connection required to use that site . I can sympathise with Sliver more , my country having gone through ( and still going through ) that phase .
Leatherneck
Drive-by poster.
aneeshm said:
Wrong and wrong, Receiving stolen goods, (and pirated SW is stealing) is the same crime as being the thief. In my country it's called receiving stolen property, and even if you pay for it, it's still stolen and it's still illegal.
The responsibility lies with both equally, if the pirate didn't have a customer, then they'd be out of business. It's supply and demand. Why are there pirated games, because people buy them. Why do people buy them, because they are there.
Justify it all you want, it's wrong and you're a thief if you do it. You say you can't buy it in your country ... can you not order it from a country that has it. As far as I know PC games aren't region encoded. If you can not afford the retail price, then perhaps you don't need it. It's called honesty and living within your means.
aneeshm
Deity
Leatherneck said:
I didn't say that the person who bought it from the dealer wasn't in the wrong - but I said that his culpability was far less than the dealer's .
Leatherneck said:
Who the hell are you accusing of justifying it ? I've already said that both the dealer and purchaser are to blame .
And no , I cannot order it from another country - the don't ship it there . That's the damn point - there is no legal way to obtain it , even if you can afford ten times the retail price ! That is the only case I consider piracy acceptable ( on the condition that the person buys it when it comes out on the open market ) .
Leatherneck
Drive-by poster.
aneeshm said:
You are getting very defensive, so you know you are wrong.
The blame is EQUALLY shared, one is not less then the other it is 50/50 and in that you are trying to JUSTIFY your actions and by saying it "I can't get it here yet so, but I can buy an ILLEGAL early PIRATED copy ... instead if waiting for a LEGAL copy and I'm not as much to blame because I didn't make it." Please, there is your self justification in your actions, get mad and argue all you want it stealing any way you slice it.
And as far as not shipping to your country there are many place that will ship WORLDWIDE, you are on earth right? Even eBay.
I'll ask you one question ... answer or not.
Would you go out and pay US$49.95 for an LEGAL copy of Civ IV in your country when it was sold there?
If you answer YES then wait for a legal copy and stop feeding the pirates, be honest.
If you answer NO then your part of the problem and no better than the pirates.
