Polanski v. Bieber: Arena of Antipathy

Do you think more people in America dislike Roman Polanski or Justin Bieber?


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What do you really say to someone that advocates the rape of 13 year old girls?
You should be careful when you charge someone with advocating of rape. I surely did not advocate rape of 13 year olds or 26 years old or 90 years olds. What I have said is that it was not rape in a sense normal humans use it and a «statutory rape» is a pure Anglo-Saxon legality which have no ethical or biological meaning but only legal one. I have also said that in my opinion Anglo-Saxons are too obsessed of human sexuality. I have said that in my opinion it is Samantha Geimer who have seduced Roman Polanski and not vice versa.

But I surely did not advocate to rape anyone.
 
You should be careful when you charge someone with advocating of rape. I surely did not advocate rape of 13 year olds or 26 years old or 90 years olds. What I have said is that it was not rape in a sense normal humans use it and a «statutory rape» is a pure Anglo-Saxon legality which have no ethical or biological meaning but only legal one. I have also said that in my opinion Anglo-Saxons are too obsessed of human sexuality. I have said that in my opinion it is Samantha Geimer who have seduced Roman Polanski and not vice versa.

But I surely did not advocated to rape anyone.

"I don't advocate not charging guys with child rape, I just offer excuses for people convicted of it because WASPs are prudes".
 
You can toss age in this case entirely if you want to. Giving our dear little rapist as much credit as possible still lands him in the same boat as frat boys who get coeds drunk and then are seduced by their charming and irresistible mewls of 'no.' Because no reasonable male can be expected to not anally screw an intoxicated woman telling him no. To think otherwise is to have an unhealthy obsession with sex.
 
Well, and...? You say like it is bad thing but those are just numbers. As soon as women become pubertal it is normal for them to try use their seductive abilities to get what they want. We should not judge her too harsh for trying to get a role using her feminive charm. It is what females did, do and will do. Men should be wary of their tricks but it is no surprise when one falls to them. This story is old as humanity itself.
I'm judging no one. I think the numbers speak for themselves.
 
I'm judging no one. I think the numbers speak for themselves.

Numbers do not speak. Interpretations do. For modern Anglo-Saxon these numbers will be an abomination as he was said countless number by media that it is bad or even it is "rape".

For a man of traditional culture, for example Christian or Muslim, the age of the girl and the man contain nothing morally bad.

But numbers themselves are silent.

Also, really snorius? Women trick men into raping them? Really?

Women do not trick men into raping them. But sometimes they expoit legal system by seducing men and blaming them for rape afterwards striving for money, fame or revenge.
 
You can toss age in this case entirely if you want to. Giving our dear little rapist as much credit as possible still lands him in the same boat as frat boys who get coeds drunk and then are seduced by their charming and irresistible mewls of 'no.' Because no reasonable male can be expected to not anally screw an intoxicated woman telling him no. To think otherwise is to have an unhealthy obsession with sex.

No means give her champagne and quaaludes.
 
Women do not trick men into raping them. But sometimes they expoit legal system by seducing men and blaming them for rape afterwards striving for money, fame or revenge.

And sometimes men drug and rape women. As a matter of fact, that's a hell of a lot more likely in this situation.
 
No means give her champagne and quaaludes.

And as long as her mom approved of what was going on it's apparently OK according to leading posters.

Also, she just wanted the money and fame that came out of his conviction and the subsequent lawsuit. Snorius makes rape sound fun!

And sometimes men drug and rape women children. As a matter of fact, that's a hell of a lot more likely in this situation.

FTFY
 

Thanks for that. But of course we shouldn't forget that thirteen year old girls under the influence of drugs are quite predatory in nature. Always taking advantage of middle aged men who don't know any better! Remember guys:

As soon as women become pubertal it is normal for them to try use their seductive abilities to get what they want.
 
You can toss age in this case entirely if you want to. Giving our dear little rapist as much credit as possible still lands him in the same boat as frat boys who get coeds drunk and then are seduced by their charming and irresistible mewls of 'no.' Because no reasonable male can be expected to not anally screw an intoxicated woman telling him no. To think otherwise is to have an unhealthy obsession with sex.

If we are translate this from hatespeech to rational statements what you are saing is that you believe Samantha and not Polanski in this case. That's fine, everybody is entitled to have an opinion. I will not try to convince you as it is almost impossible to change other's disposition on moral and religious topics.

But I as well have my opinion on this matter. Samantha was not passive victim. She made a photo session posing topless, her mother knew this as well, but she still went for the second session. So we have a mother and daughter who are not particularly prudish on the one side and a middle aged man who is brimming with financial and career prospects on other.

Whom I should believe? You may believe in what general media feeds you -- that's your choice -- but I am not that naïve.

"I don't advocate not charging guys with child rape, I just offer excuses for people convicted of it because WASPs are prudes".

I admit this statement is completely outside of my comprehension. This is probably sarcasm but to get it one have to be an Anglo-Saxon. The "WASP" abbreviation do not really have much substance outside of Anglo-Saxon discourse.

Snorius makes rape sound fun!
Snorrius make independent thinking to be fun when he state some obvious conclusions from some obvious facts when formers go against automaton's neuronal patterns laid by watching TV and not reading books.

But seriously -- false rape charges are not fun. It is only your young age (which is somewhere about 8-9 yo based on your command of English) and inability for independent thinking which excuse you.

Words do not describe how sick your posts are.
"What we cannot talk about we must pass over in silence." -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
 
I am 8 or 9 years old? God damn why didn't you tell me sooner, I got a piece of grade-A ass to seduce Polanski into raping. Profit!
 
I am 8 or 9 years old? God damn why didn't you tell me sooner, I got a piece of grade-A ass to seduce Polanski into raping. Profit!
Hurry then. He is quite old, you do not have much time. Keep in mind it will take several years before you convert your determination into money.
 
If we are translate this from hatespeech to rational statements what you are saing is that you believe Samantha and not Polanski in this case. That's fine, everybody is entitled to have an opinion. I will not try to convince you as it is almost impossible to change other's disposition on moral and religious topics.

But I as well have my opinion on this matter. Samantha was not passive victim. She made a photo session posing topless, her mother knew this as well, but she still went for the second session. So we have a mother and daughter who are not particularly prudish on the one side and a middle aged man who is brimming with financial and career prospects on other.
Southern King's previous post truly reflects my sentiments after reading this. Your views are simply so morally abhorrent I don't even know where to begin. But I guess I'll just say this:

First and foremost, regardless of why this 13 year old girl was was in Polanski's custody, regardless of whether her mother knew what she was doing or not, and regardless of whether Polanski even raped her or not, she was still a 13 year old girl and Polanski DID have sex with her. 13 year old girls are below the legal age of consent in most nations, including the United States, and it was thusly illegal for Polanski to have sex with her. They are below the age of consent because we as a society have deemed that they are too young to make responsible decisions for themselves. Polanski, as an adult, needed to make the responsible decision to not have sex with her. It simply doesn't matter whether she seduced him or not in the grand scheme of things. The fact that he had anal sex with a 13 year old girl is undeniably, unquestionably, and entirely wrong.

Secondly, if she was there to take topless photos, Polanski shouldn't have been taking them. If the girl's mother knew, she's also at fault. If the girl were trying to seduce him in order to advance her career, Polanski shouldn't be furthering her objective. Either way, Polanski, under no circumstances whatsoever, should not have had sex with her. To think otherwise is moral turpitude. Polanski, as an adult, should not be perpetuating a system of abuse and exploitation for aspiring actresses.

Next, you, as a sexist pig, make the assumption that she, as a thirteen year old girl, seduced him and then accused him of rape in order to make money. You have indicated that this is normal for women. You are sexist and your views on this issue are just shockingly wrong. This isn't a matter of Anglo saxon propaganda or whatever the hell you think, you're just wrong.

And lastly, with consideration of the evidence, it appears quite likely that not only did Polanski have sex with a minor, he raped a minor. He drugged and raped her, simple as that.

Snorrius make independent thinking to be fun when he state some obvious conclusions from some obvious facts when formers go against automaton's neuronal patterns laid by watching TV and not reading books.

But seriously -- false rape charges are not fun. It is only your young age (which is somewhere about 8-9 yo based on your command of English) and inability for independent thinking which excuse you.

"What we cannot talk about we must pass over in silence." -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
His command over English is just fine, the only person here who lacks command over English is you. Most of your posts, including this one, are downright confusing and require multiple reads before one can fully grasp their horrid meaning. I was willing to let that slide since you're from Russia, but now that you're making an issue out of it, I'm taking the time to point it out.

And way to accuse people of being brainwashed by the media when you have no where else to fall back.
 
Numbers do not speak. Interpretations do. For modern Anglo-Saxon these numbers will be an abomination as he was said countless number by media that it is bad or even it is "rape".

For a man of traditional culture, for example Christian or Muslim, the age of the girl and the man contain nothing morally bad.

But numbers themselves are silent.

I have been both 13 and 44. (Not simultaneously, I hasten to add.) So, I think I know what these ages mean.

A 44 year old man who will even contemplate sex with a 13 year old (male or female, for that matter), really needs his head examining on every single count I can think of.

I can't think of anything to recommend such a thing. Can you?
 
Snorrius, I suppose you do have a point that our societal rules of age of consent are social constructs and don't really correspond fully to nature. However, in the past in societies where girls married older men when they were very young, the society was also much more rigid about sex. Girls were married and had strict guidelines of what they were supposed to follow and men had their expectations as well. Now, young people are expected to negotiate their own sexual relationships and teenagers just aren't mature enough to do that and they can be exploited by adults.
 
Pfft, drugging, anally penetrating a 13 year old against her will and then being convicted of rape is just a lame social construct for white Americans. It's not a real thing as such.
 
I'm not talking about the details of this case in particular since it seems like snorrius is defending sex with young teenagers in general.
 
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