Police use of force

[Smote]

This guy has the right idea:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...a379c0-8a1e-11e4-a085-34e9b9f09a58_story.html

 

[Timsup2nothin]

But if they didn't get to beat people up why would anyone want to be a cop?

 

[tetley]

Big, strong men with a heart for serving the community would make excellent cops. Why not have a heart for rescuing kittens from out of trees, reuniting lost children, and blue Santa? And also to take down violent offenders if necessary.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Big strong men don't have to be cops to serve their community. In my experience far more cops are gun dependent weasels than big strong men.

 

[Esperr]

Big strong men don't have to be cops to serve their community. In my experience far more cops are gun dependent weasels than big strong men.

Wait is this still a cops thread? I thought you meant the US army.

 

[woody60707]

http://directives.chicagopolice.org...ics/Use of Force Model - 2012-Portrait_v4.jpg

This is the use of force model for the Chicago Police.

Holy cow, how do I make this smaller.

 

[Kozmos]

I think they should abolish the upper IQ limit for starters. I'm tired of having to deal with inflated ego's that can't be reasoned with.

 

[tetley]

Big, strong men don't have to be cops. They can be hockey players (who give back), haul freight, carpentry, any number of good things. But they can also be cops, serving under good bosses.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Spoiler :

This is the use of force model for the Chicago Police.

Holy cow, how do I make this smaller.

You've not only made it smaller (whatever it is), you've made it invisible.

 

[Berzerker]

Part of the problem is too many laws... Even handing out tickets wont remove the violence needed when people ignore the summons, we'd just be putting it off.

And of course we have too many politicians who measure success by how many more laws they can impose upon us. They create black markets and then detach themselves from the consequences of their stupidity, greed or malice.

A chokehold for selling a cigarette? Yeah, thats 2 problems - rule of engagement and immoral law.

 

[tetley]

Illegal selling of cigarettes is the same as tax evasion.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Illegal selling of cigarettes is the same as tax evasion.

So are you saying that this dime (maximum) in taxes being evaded is a crime that merits detention with extreme violent measures?

 

[tetley]

No. I'm not even saying that the dime in taxes is going to a good cause, either. Just that the cigarette-selling law is not in itself immoral.

 

[Berzerker]

Illegal selling of cigarettes is the same as tax evasion.

No. I'm not even saying that the dime in taxes is going to a good cause, either. Just that the cigarette-selling law is not in itself immoral.

Somebody imposed on us a tax so outrageous it created a black market and then they told cops (paid with money taken from others under threat of violence) to arrest people for selling loose untaxed cigarettes and now we have a dead man in NYC. Of course the law(s) is immoral, government is immoral.

 

[tetley]

I can't support you in being anarchist. However, if the mayor fired all the cops who turned their backs on him--not once, but twice--I would back him 100%. And with so few cops on the NY streets, in the end there may not be much difference. You can't disrespect your boss like that. There's your problem right there.

 

[MobBoss]

Somebody imposed on us a tax so outrageous it created a black market and then they told cops (paid with money taken from others under threat of violence) to arrest people for selling loose untaxed cigarettes and now we have a dead man in NYC. Of course the law(s) is immoral, government is immoral.

Arguing about levels of sin tax is an entirely different argument, but I don't think that one state is immoral for simply having a higher tax rate than its neighbor on cigarettes.

Black market activities are what is immoral in this situation. Let's at least get that one right.

And the man died not for selling illegal cigarettes...he died because he resisted arrest and was an obese man not in that great of health to begin with.

Facts do indeed matter, and as long as we excuse things like black market activity and resisting arrest, by blaming the government or the cops then such problems will indeed continue.

I can't support you in being anarchist. However, if the mayor fired all the cops who turned their backs on him--not once, but twice--I would back him 100%. And with so few cops on the NY streets, in the end there may not be much difference. You can't disrespect your boss like that. There's your problem right there.

If your boss throws you under the bus for political expediency, yes, you can damn well disrespect him like that and they did.

The next election might be the end of the mayor...not so the cops, they will be around long after he is gone and they know it.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I can't support you in being anarchist. However, if the mayor fired all the cops who turned their backs on him--not once, but twice--I would back him 100%. And with so few cops on the NY streets, in the end there may not be much difference. You can't disrespect your boss like that. There's your problem right there.

They theoretically serve the public, and there has been no indication of respect for their 'boss' from the cops for a loooooong time in that regard.

 

[Hygro]

Black market activities are what is immoral in this situation.

"morality = the law"

 

[gay_Aleks]

Rather sure selling weapons/drugs/organs on the black market is the opposite of what most consider to be immoral. Since there's an overwhelming majority, they've decided to make it a law.

 

[Hygro]

Rather sure selling weapons/drugs/organs on the black market is the opposite of what most consider to be immoral. Since there's an overwhelming majority, they've decided to make it a law.

ftfy and the law created by the 'overwhelming majority' is what creates the black market, not the other way around.

I mean, they didn't pass a cigarette tax to declare selling individual cigarettes on the streets an act of immorality.