Polish Civ

[impressive]

there really should be a Welsh civ.

j/k

 

[Big Iago]

This is just my personal opinion, but I like having a lot of European civs. It gives me some variety in who I choose to wipe out the rest of the world.

 

[Krayzeenbk]

Grrr! Sumeria is already in the game! It's that tribe I wipe off the face of the earth for 25 gold every time I play

I don't think Sumeria should be added, and neither should the Poles. The only nations that should really be included IMO are those that have been historically able to be major powerhouses for several, prolonged periods of time i.e. England, France, Germany, Babylon, America, China, Russia - pretty much the list that exists now. The Poles (and the Dutch) would be a great civ for a European 1200-1800 scenario but I don't think they belong in a 4000BCE-2050CE game.

 

[Gen]

Neither of the civs you listed belong in that game, too. Oh, maybe except China... if they last until 2050

 

[Roundman]

Originally posted by impressive
there really should be a Welsh civ.

j/k

I know you're joking, but aren' the Welsh included in the Celtic civ? I haven't used the Celts, so I haven't seen the city list, but they should be included as Celts.

 

[Roundman]

Originally posted by Krayzeenbk
Grrr! Sumeria is already in the game! It's that tribe I wipe off the face of the earth for 25 gold every time I play

I don't think Sumeria should be added, and neither should the Poles. The only nations that should really be included IMO are those that have been historically able to be major powerhouses for several, prolonged periods of time i.e. England, France, Germany, Babylon, America, China, Russia - pretty much the list that exists now. The Poles (and the Dutch) would be a great civ for a European 1200-1800 scenario but I don't think they belong in a 4000BCE-2050CE game.

By your criteria, the Celts, Mongols, Aztecs, Carthaginians, Iroquois, Vikings, Zulu, Maya, or Inca shouldn't be in the game.

I agree with you in part: a civ should have been a powerhouse. However, I don't think that it necessarily has to have been a powerhouse for 500 years; it just needs to have been historically and culturally significant. There is also the consideration of cultural diversity and filling in the world map.
The Poles (along with the Lithuanians) were a powerhouse nation for over 100 years, and provided the first line of defense between Europe and the Ottoman Empire from the fall of the Byzantines to the beginning of the 18th century. Poland was influential in military terms by introducing the Hussar, as well as producing Copernicus. The cultural diversity aspect, there really is no civ for the people of Eastern Europe. Russia is more of an independent entity than an Eastern European country, and as such, doesn't represent Eastern Europe as well as Poland would.
Also, there needs to be some civ that fillsthe space between Germany and Russia. Granted, civs like Greece, Rome, England, China, Japan, Germany, etc. deserve to be in more than Poland.
I think that, compared to the other civs that will be included in Conquests, there is a just as strong of an argument for Poland as there is for any of the new civs.

 

[Zenon_pt]

Originally posted by Roundman
I just think that the Poles have been historically more significant than the Portuguese or the Dutch. The Poles may have been conquered over the past few hundred years, but their golden age was greater than that of the Portuguese or the Dutch. I'm all for filling the world map, but Western Europe is already crowded and I'd rather have Poland in than the Polynesians, or for that matter, the Mayans.

More than the Portuguese!?! (Dutch I don’t know!)
Be careful what you write on!!!

 

[barron of ideas]

Why dis the polyneisians? Would have great leaderhead Queen Lilikullanie, hula girls, UU the surfer (with amphibious warfare possible with warrior substitute) pretty girls, sunshine, whats to dislike?

As far as I know no-one has suggested they are going to be in the game, so they don't interfere with Poland's chances of being represented.

Did Poland invent Vodka (or is it Wodka?) or do they blame the Russians for that too?

 

[Louis XXIV]

Originally posted by Roundman

I just think that the Poles have been historically more significant than the Portuguese or the Dutch. The Poles may have been conquered over the past few hundred years, but their golden age was greater than that of the Portuguese or the Dutch. I'm all for filling the world map, but Western Europe is already crowded and I'd rather have Poland in than the Polynesians, or for that matter, the Mayans.

Originally posted by Zenon_pt


More than the Portuguese!?! (Dutch I don’t know!)
Be careful what you write on!!!

I would have the said the opposite with the Dutch and Portugese. Many people find some civs very important, others think they should never have been there.

Poland was an influential civ in the Middle Ages, but it just resulted in them falling apon the greedy eyes of Russia, Prussia, and Austria. They were divided 3 (?) times between these countries.

I know that the Dutch had an economic power and had more democratic rights then any other European nation of the time. They had an empire around New York city that comprised partially of New-Sweeden. New Amsterdam was conquered by the Englis, and the hight of the Dutch power ended. They were never as important as France, England, or Spain (Spain was the weakest of the 3, but I still think they are important).

Portugal is similar to the Dutch (Because they were a commercial empire of colonies, Europe itself being too crowded). They had a longer lasting North American empire. I honestly don't know much overall about them, though.

I personally like Assyria. They had a large Empire in the Middle East, stretching from Egypt in the South, to Turkey in the North, covering all of Sumer, Babylon, Hatti, and Egypt. They had scientific advancements and the first library as well. But, in the end, like the Spartans, they suffered because they were too cruel to their captured subjects. A revolt lead by Babylon destroyed the empire.

This is a list of 4 civs, 2 of which are included. Everyone has their own favorites to be included. There will always be arguments. People argue whether one of the first civilizations ever, inventer of the Wheel and Alphabet (not the Greek alphabet, the first alphabet) should be in the game. Some people want the best civ that will fill a spot on a world map, others want only the best civs in history (often a history from a certain perspective, as from Mayan perspective, the Aztecs are the best civ, because they conquered everybody. From a Western Perspective, the best civs are Rome, Egypt, Persia, etc)

No matter how many civs are added, somebody will always think of a civ they want that isn't in.

 

[Packer-Backer]

Poland should have the Winged Hussar as their UU and they should replace the stupid Dutch. Amsterdam is already a German city and Brussels in French in most real world maps. Benelux is divided between France and Germany but Poland is too big and too strong to be divided between Russia and Germany, in a real world map Poland's extent of power, which wouldn't take anything away from any other civs on a real world map, could hold seven cities. Hungary is good too but I guess it's kind
of covered up by Greece, Rome, Celts, Germany, Ottomans, and Poles so it deserves to be left out. Poland rules!

 

[Louis XXIV]

Not everything is a scenario.

I play most games on a random map.

 

[El Sop]

Originally posted by Packer-Backer
Amsterdam is already a German city

This must be a joke, be it a bad one! Apart from WW2 Amsterdam had never anything to do with the Germans. It has existed centuries before Germany was created in the 1870s. I agree though that the Dutch beaches are very German

 

[Mendax]

Poland wasn't strong only in MidAges...
right now for example we have a "colony" in Iraq

(CG)Mendax

 

[Packer-Backer]

To El Sop: If you could read better you could see that I said IN MOST REAL WORLD MAPS, although in some random maps I've seen Russia and China smaller than Spain and Germany, so Louis XXIV is right again. To Mendax, Poland has always been supportive of the US and was a significant player in European events, in purticular when Napoleon and Prussia kept quarreling over Warsaw. Poland (and Lithuania) had a bigger empire and longer run than Babylon and Egypt but you only like them because they were cultural and scientific, Poland was and still is, didn't you ever hear of Copernicus?

 

[El Sop]

Originally posted by Packer-Backer
To El Sop: If you could read better you could see that I said IN MOST REAL WORLD MAPS, although in some random maps I've seen Russia and China smaller than Spain and Germany

I read that. Admittedly I don't know what world maps you are talking about, but if they are like you say they are, they are really cool and are certainly NOT real (or rather, not realistic).

 

[Packer-Backer]

First of all you really cool guy Poland is way larger and more powerful than Holland and that why Poland, not the Dutch although I prefer the Dutch to the Mayans, should not be in the game. And those real world maps are maps that look like the world, you really cool guy. Holland is way too small and useless to be included but Poland is far too powerful, like I keep saying. Other ideas like the Pacific NW Indians and Polynesians stink too, what kind of message is this "Our victorius unit has produced a Great Leader, Kiluweiweilululwei" El Sop, you're nothing but a really cool guy.

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[durfal]

they should replace the stupid Dutch. Amsterdam is already a German city

Packer-Backer, I throw it on the fact that you are living far away from the Netherlands and probably don't know much about us, otherwise I would be very offended.
First you call me and my countrymen stupid and secondly you call my hometown German!
This is very insulting. Like El Sop already said, during the occupation of the Netherlands during WW II by the Germans and consequently also of Amsterdam a lot of Dutch lives were lost. And notwithstanding that in the present I have no ill feelings against German people the idea of being called German brings on a deep rooted feeling of anger and amazement.

Back on toppic I agree that the Poles deserve to be a civ. I modded them already in with the beautiful animated and era specific leaderhead of King Kazimierz Wielki made by a polish guy named Piernik. And Packer-Backer you can mod them ingame too already without wating for C3C. And if you want to replace the dutch with them ingame you can do so if you want, but there never is a reason to call another civilization stupid.

You can dl the leaderhead from this site King Kazimierz Wielki

 

[Packer-Backer]

First of all here's a quote from Michael Caine's character in Austin Powers 3 "You're nothing but a bunch of tulip-sniffer, windmill-watcher, clog-wearer perverts!" I don't mean that and I've got nothing against the Dutch it's just that you have to put more important civs in. Every nation does something important just some are more important than others, only the idea of Holland of Poland is stupid, not the Dutch, sorry about that. El Sop is still a really cool guy and I called Amsterdam German only in maps that look like the actuall world because you can't put EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY in the world there. Sorry if I offended you but Poland deserves to be a civ and El Sop deserves to be a really cool guy.

 

[El Sop]

Originally posted by Packer-Backer
First of all you really cool guy Poland is way larger and more powerful than Holland and that why Poland, not the Dutch although I prefer the Dutch to the Mayans, should not be in the game. And those real world maps are maps that look like the world, you really cool guy. Holland is way too small and useless to be included but Poland is far too powerful, like I keep saying. Other ideas like the Pacific NW Indians and Polynesians stink too, what kind of message is this "Our victorius unit has produced a Great Leader, Kiluweiweilululwei" El Sop, you're nothing but a really cool guy.

Hope not to state something here that's against the forum rules, but Packer-Backer, your reaction here is really pathetic.
I haven't said anything against the Polish nor against you, only that a world map where Amsterdam is German, IMO, is incorrect, loosely translated as really cool.
If you prefer Poland over Holland, mod it. And for the rest, grow up, please.

 

[Oruc]

Nope!