[R&F] Poll: which are the last 4 R&F civs?

[DeepKing]

Well I mean, there's another explanation too--that he just couldn't remember off the top of his head who the new GG was. I realize it's more to other people, but to me generally the generals are grey faceless nobodies with interchangable names.

Nah, there's no way. He wouldn't have even mentioned it or would have been like "His GG spot has been replaced" and left it at that and it doesn't mean specifically more to me, but Ed Beach surely had at the top of his head of the Genghis stream which name replaced Genghis and the fact that he didn't just say who it was was very odd to me.

Would've been a good spot to expound on the history of whomever he chose. They're faceless names with abilities yes - but the names are important throughout history and the bulk of civ players eat that up.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Ashanti:
They bring either a Renaissance or Industrial era leader. They also have a candidate for female leader (Yaa Asantewee).
It is my personal belief that the Sahel is in a representational rotation. In Civ IV, it was represented by the Mali. In Civ V by the Songhai. While Firaxis could switch back to Mali, I bet they go with another noteworthy candidate from the region.

Good thing the Ashanti Kingdom never touched the Sahel though. I don't see why Mansa Musa won't return. He's a fan favorite.
We never have had a coastal West African civ though, so they could make it in. Although I might be more partial to Idia of Benin between the two.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Good thing the Ashanti Kingdom never touched the Sahel though. I don't see why Mansa Musa won't return. He's a fan favorite.
We never have had a coastal West African civ though, so they could make it in. Although I might be more partial to Idia of Benin between the two.

Hmm. I thought the Sahel was the riverine region to the southwest of the Sahara.

I suppose the best term would be West Africa. The region represented by this group:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Community_of_West_African_States

 

[DWilson]

Try r4

 

[Phoenix1595]

Hmm. I thought the Sahel was the riverine region to the southwest of the Sahara.

I suppose the best term would be West Africa. The region represented by this group:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Community_of_West_African_States

Yes, I too thought the Sahel was generally the semi-arid land dividing the Sahara and the southern forests from Mauritania to the Lake Chad region. In any event, Nubia takes up the Sudanese portion, so I guess in terms of game-speak the area that makes up the Ghana-Mali-Songhai empires is still game.

And, yes, @Alexander's Hetaroi , it would be possible to have both a Sahel civ and a coastal forest civ from W. Africa-- the territories rarely overlapped throughout history.

 

[Xandinho]

Points for the inclusion of Ashanti:

1. It would most likely be a cultural civilization, and we have not had a cultural civ revealed in R & F yet;
2. Covers a region not yet represented in Civ6;
3. Yaa Asantewaa is an interesting female leader, and they are in search of leaders of this type;
4. Kumasi was not seen as a city-state yet;
5. It is an interesting civilization never seen before, that could bring a unique gameplay. I think that at least one African civ will be in R & F.

Unless Zulus's leak is right, Ashanti has a good chance.

 

[Vahnstad]

The problem is that we also haven't seen the replacement of the Kumasi city-state yet. Maybe we could have seen a new cultural city-state by this time that could have replaced Kumasi.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

The problem is that we also haven't seen the replacement of the Kumasi city-state yet. Maybe we could have seen a new cultural city-state by this time that could have replaced Kumasi.

They seem to be pretty careful about the city-states. We didn't see Babylon until after Korea was revealed, and we didn't see Antioch until after the Netherlands were revealed.

It's not necessarily the case where they select which city-states appear in a given livestream or First Look, but rather, they run through the playthrough in advance, and will not show a game that has city-states they don't want to reveal yet.

 

[Xandinho]

The problem is that we also haven't seen the replacement of the Kumasi city-state yet. Maybe we could have seen a new cultural city-state by this time that could have replaced Kumasi.

Well, we saw the replacements of Seoul and Amsterdam only after Korea and Netherlands were revealed. If they revealed a new cultural city-state before Ashanti was revealed it would make it very obvious.

 

[Havendish]

Considering all this latest intriguing fanatic input, tips and speculations, I'm changing my picks for the final 3 to be included in R and F expansion to: 1 Inca, 2 Ashanti ( female leader) and 3 Canada.

 

[Duuk]

I'm still solid on Italy and Inca.

Ottomans I'm getting fuzzy on. Putting the Ottomans in their "civ-history" spawn point on TSL puts them basically on top of the 83 Greek civs. Putting them into a Turko-Anatolian start puts them almost touching Georgia.

I'm betting that the Chinese leaker was either wrong or taken out of context. We know only that he's a localizer for the Civilopedia. If Wallace is the GG replacement for Genghis, I'm hoping it's possible that Shaka is a GG replacement or addition, even though I can't figure out (at first glance) what he'd be replacing.

So, for CivVegas:

Inca 3:2 odds.
Italy 2:1
Ottomans 4:1
Zulu 4:1

And if we get a Scottish civ (or even worse a Celtic blob) with Wallace as leader, I may need wine.

 

[Zaarin]

I am 99.9% positive about the Inca. I am about 98% positive on the Ottomans. I'm not convinced at all about Italy, and I am almost positive we will not see a Wallace-led Scotland or Celts. But we'll see.

 

[liv]

maybe we need a new poll?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

maybe we need a new poll?

@WillowBrook said she would launch a "last 2 civs" poll after the next First Look.

 

[Vahnstad]

I would dare to bet against the Inca's. And if it was about real money, i would bet against Inca's and Ottomans, because chances are high one of two wouldn't be in the expansion, and their odd's would be a bit too low to not ignore a bet against their civs, especially with the DLC argument, especially because i'm not sure on the Inca's.

Would set the odd's like this

Spoiler :

Inca 1.60
Ottomans 1.80
Italy 2.50
Ashanti / Ghana 3.50
Mali 4.00
Zulu 4.00
Celts 4.00
Scotland 6.00
Venice 8.00
Songhai 8.00
Austria 10.00
Palmyra 10.00
Hungary 12.00
Ethiopia 12.00
Canada 12.00
Colombia 12.00
Byzantium 15.00
Nigeria 15.00
Ireland 15.00
Benin 20.00
Muisca 20.00
Oman 20.00
Kilwa / Swahili 20.00
Zimbabwe 20.00
Florence 20.00
Genoa 20.00
Ukraine 25.00
Finland 25.00
Denmark 25.00

 

[PhilBowles]

Fairly sure there will still be an ancient era civ, though with Carthage out I'm not sure who that will be. We've seen two new civs this expansion so I expect the others will all be civs we've seen in the series before. Zulu and Inca would be my best guesses - both fill blank spots on the map, while I suspect Georgia makes the Ottomans less likely as that will entail adding two adjacent civs in a rather small section of the TSL map.

 

[WillowBrook]

maybe we need a new poll?

As @Eagle Pursuit said, I'm planning to post one for the last two civs Tuesday afternoon.

I welcome suggestions for improving the list of choices.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

As @Eagle Pursuit said, I'm planning to post one for the last two civs Tuesday afternoon.

I welcome suggestions for improving the list of choices.

I think the most popular choices at the moment are:
Ottomans
Inca
Mali
Italy
Ashanti
Celts/Scotland
Zulu

And I'm still seeing Canada and Byzantines, so they should probably be included too. The way you broke down the generic regional options worked pretty well, I think.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Ashanti / Ghana 3.50

I'm pretty sure they need to be separate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghana_Empire
The Ghana Empire predated Mali and Songhai and wasn't located in present-day Ghana.
The Ashanti were though.

 

[Quis]

I think the most popular choices at the moment are:
Ottomans
Inca
Mali
Italy
Ashanti
Celts/Scotland
Zulu

And I'm still seeing Canada and Byzantines, so they should probably be included too. The way you broke down the generic regional options worked pretty well, I think.

Maybe adding:
Palmyra / Assyria / Syria
Etruscans