[R&F] Poll: which are the last 4 R&F civs?

[Havendish]

Could they qualify Palmyra as Zenobia-led Syria? If so, it could be added (as Syria) because of the great female leader-which Firaxis longs for, however, might not happen because of possible objection by the modern day country of Syria.

 

[Havendish]

I'm still hoping they'll squeeze in Assyria under Tiglath Pileser or perhaps Semiramis - a great queen by the way, who, according to myth, was behind the construction of the Hanging Gardens, as the final R&F expansion Civ.

 

[DeepKing]

I think they could do Zenobia of Palmyra. Do modern day Syrian's have problems with her depiction? At least from what I've read is that she's something of a local heroine in certain parts, representing Syrian independence and nationhood. I don't think it'd be added as Syria, because Assyria is still a possibility and it was well before "Syria" was considered more than just a small portion of her empire.

 

[Kheznik]

I'm still hoping they'll squeeze in Assyria under Tiglath Pileser or perhaps Semiramis - a great queen by the way, who, according to myth, was behind the construction of the Hanging Gardens, as the final R&F expansion Civ.

Semiramis sounds great, albeit kind of legendary. As for Zenobia, having her lead Syria would be like having Trajan lead Italy, or Boudicca leading England.

 

[Leyrann]

I think Syria is too busy to complain about representation in a video game...

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I see talk of Syria being depicted, but we already have that sort of with the Arabian Empire and their city list already includes Damascus, Aleppo, Homs etc.

 

[DeepKing]

I see talk of Syria being depicted, but we already have that sort of with the Arabian Empire and their city list already includes Damascus, Aleppo, Homs etc.

That's a very good point actually.

 

[Quis]

I fear that the adding of Antioch as a city state, also speaks definitely against Palmyra.

From Zenobias Wikipedia entry:

"Further evidence of extended territorial control was a statement by the Byzantine historian Zosimus, who wrote that the queen had a residence in Antioch."

 

[Zaarin]

Could they qualify Palmyra as Zenobia-led Syria? If so, it could be added (as Syria) because of the great female leader-which Firaxis longs for, however, might not happen because of possible objection by the modern day country of Syria.

I'm a fan of calling the civ "Aram." It's mildly anachronistic, but Zenobia was an Aramaic-speaker and she's really the only standout leader of the various Aramaean city-states and petty kingdoms that were significant in the region for centuries but only really unified (under native rule) under Zenobia. This has two big advantages:
*Representing a civ that is very worthy of representation but difficult to find a leader for.
*Representing a leader who is very worthy of representation but whose empire lasted three years.

 

[Sagax]

Machu Picchu is considered to be one of the seven wonders of the modern world, so it makes sense that anybody can build it just as anyone can build the Pyramids, Hanging Gardens, etc.

*cough* Great Wall *cough*

 

[Kheznik]

*cough* Great Wall *cough*

Well... to be fair, the Great Wall was always a bit of an awkward wonder in Civ, and irl, since it's a massive, unorganized collection of unphotogenic mud and dirt with a couple of nice bits, unlike Machu Picchu, which is just a single thing not unlike the Forbidden Palace. I always figured the Great Wall would be downgraded to a unique improvement eventually, so it really didn't surprise me when that ended up being the case in Civ VI.

It's like making the Nazca lines a wonder, really, or the US Interstate Highway System. Or blobbing all Native Americans together or something. Unimaginable.

But you do have a point. Maybe the New7Wonders list isn't the best argument, but I still say it works 6 out of 7 times.

 

[Leyrann]

Or blobbing all Native Americans together or something. Unimaginable.

Uhm... I hate to break it to you, but...

Yeah. Civ IV.

 

[Kheznik]

Uhm... I hate to break it to you, but...

Yeah. Civ IV.

 

[The Kingmaker]

So it seems like there's a few never-before-seen civs that seem to be receiving a lot of attention on the forums right now.

Here's what I've been noticing:

Europe: Italy, Renaissance-themed, maybe with the Greek treatment for multiple leaders from the different city-states

America: Another Native American civ -- either the Navajo with a code-talker UU or the Apache led by Geronimo

Far East Asia: seems like folks have been asking for Vietnam forever

Near East Asia: Palmyra led by Zenobia

Africa: Ashanti, led by Yaa Asantewaa

I think some folks would be content with these, though I see quite a few scared that we're going to see Canada.

Other than these, people really seem more inclined towards bringing back the old favorites: Inca, Maya, Ottomans, Babylon, Byzantium, Ethiopia, Carthage, Mali, even Celts and Zulus. In fact, I'd say that this last bunch qualifies as the "non-negotiables." These are civs that have been in for so long that they are somebody's favorite. All of them need to come sooner or later.

 

[Cywil]

I think Firaxis is currently incapable of pulling off an Etruscan Civ. If they struggled to find someone to write Sumerian dialogue (Gilgamesh speaks Old Akkadian instead), they will struggle to find a linguist who can write Etruscan dialogue.
Also, we don't know much about the Etruscan Kings (thanks Romans....).

Gilgamesh speaks Old Akkadian instead of Sumerian, right? So Etruscan leader could speak Latin instead of Etruscan (Latin was likely a second language for Etrsucans). And we know enough about Etruscan kings and even queens (e.g. Thanchvil) to implement one of them in the R&F. The real problem would be with their UU. I can't imagine any but an unique builder.

 

[Krajzen]

I am more and more afraid of how we may indeed get stupid, overrated, tired Zulu over glorious Mali.

And I am sure next reveal will be Inca to make me nervous just a lil bit longer.

 

[agonistes]

I think Syria is too busy to complain about representation in a video game...

Perfect opportunity to sneak them in!

And two years later: "D--- those guys at firaxis! Sneaky gits!"

 

[Quis]

Maybe one of you has a complete picture of the wheel (with the 8 different era scenes) that is shown at the end of the release trailer. There may still be hints to the unreleased civilizations.

I'm reminded that they had shown the picture as an announcement at the time, stupidly, I can not find it anymore.

8 pictures = 8 civilizations?

But maybe I'm just grasping at straws.

 

[CPWimmer]

Here is the link to the original twitter post with the revolving era wheel. I know I saw a full image of the wheel somewhere, but I don't recall where.

I looked over it again just now, and I'm not seeing anything that would hint at a specific civilization to be revealed.

 

[blackcatatonic]

Here is the link to the original twitter post with the revolving era wheel. I know I saw a full image of the wheel somewhere, but I don't recall where.

I looked over it again just now, and I'm not seeing anything that would hint at a specific civilization to be revealed.

At the risk of stirring the Italy pot, is that a fasces I see in the second image?