[R&F] Poll: which are the last 4 R&F civs?

[Eramas]

Here is the link to the original twitter post with the revolving era wheel. I know I saw a full image of the wheel somewhere, but I don't recall where.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I see a train in the wheel but still no railroads. I don't know what to make of it.

 

[CPWimmer]

At the risk of stirring the Italy pot, is that a fasces I see in the second image?

Perhaps, but isn't that more of an argument for Rome exists, so they won't do Italy?

 

[Leyrann]

This is why we need leaks guys.

Now we're analyzing a months-old teaser for the expansion that doesn't give any hints towards civs that are already revealed.

 

[Quis]

Here is the link to the original twitter post with the revolving era wheel. I know I saw a full image of the wheel somewhere, but I don't recall where.

I looked over it again just now, and I'm not seeing anything that would hint at a specific civilization to be revealed.

Thanks a lot for finding and posting the corresponding picture.

Unfortunately, the scenes are without appropriate hints, but a try was worth it.

Then we have to wait, tomorrow we will most likely learn something new again.

 

[Kimiimaro]

This is why we need leaks guys.

Now we're analyzing a months-old teaser for the expansion that doesn't give any hints towards civs that are already revealed.

But I want a surprise! We already knew most of the Civs (six) before they even showed us the Monday hints

 

[Metecury]

I see a train in the wheel but still no railroads. I don't know what to make of it.

World congress and railroads are a must in the next expansion along with canals.

 

[Guandao]

Gilgamesh speaks Old Akkadian instead of Sumerian, right? So Etruscan leader could speak Latin instead of Etruscan (Latin was likely a second language for Etrsucans). And we know enough about Etruscan kings and even queens (e.g. Thanchvil) to implement one of them in the R&F. The real problem would be with their UU. I can't imagine any but an unique builder.

I'm not a fan of the possible Etruscan leader speaking Latin in Civ6. The Etruscan language is non-Indo-European and hence fascinating to me.

 

[Draehl]

Inca and Celts are my two picks. Likely for the Inca, Celts probably less so.

 

[Sagax]

I'm not a fan of the possible Etruscan leader speaking Latin in Civ6. The Etruscan language is non-Indo-European and hence fascinating to me.

Point still stands, though - language is hardly an obstacle for them when choosing a particular civ for inclusion. Unless it's Pueblo.

 

[Greywulf]

Just a thought (and I know this would break the pattern that was started by Civ V), but what if some of the new civs/leaders chosen will be related to religions that are yet to have AI civs choosing them? As it is, not all the religions will be chosen by the AI, but some are left out. There may be a couple of exceptions to this, even if this is the case (and it probably is not the case, but just airing a thought really) such as Shintoism, being that Japan selects Buddhism (although could they make it that Japan will randomly select one of those 2 religions?), but otherwise, maybe the Devs would think of including another civs that would select one of the unselected religions? Like Israel for Judaism, and a secondary Chinese leader for Confucianism?

What if they expanded on the number of religions too? If they added Jainism, Chandragupta would be able to select that religion, and it would make sense for him to do so. If they add the Celts, Druidism could be included as their choice. Potentially there are still a number of religions that could be added, and or ones that are already there to be expanded on, such as Sunni and Shia instead of just one Islam. This could add to the controversy, but it would be more true to history, and give the player more choices.

...Doesn't seem likely, but thought it was an interesting thought. What do you guys think?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Just a thought (and I know this would break the pattern that was started by Civ V), but what if some of the new civs/leaders chosen will be related to religions that are yet to have AI civs choosing them? As it is, not all the religions will be chosen by the AI, but some are left out. There may be a couple of exceptions to this, even if this is the case (and it probably is not the case, but just airing a thought really) such as Shintoism, being that Japan selects Buddhism (although could they make it that Japan will randomly select one of those 2 religions?), but otherwise, maybe the Devs would think of including another civs that would select one of the unselected religions? Like Israel for Judaism, and a secondary Chinese leader for Confucianism?

Israel is never going to happen probably. Too controversial even depicting Ancient Israel, which I would love. There was mention of Queen Judith of Ethiopia being a Jewish leader, however I am more partial to Axum era Ethiopia, which she laid waste to by destroying the monuments and churches of that era.
Shintoism could only be used for another Japanese leader and even then Shinto was kind of infused with Buddhism when. Confucianism spread across to Japan, Korea, even Vietnam, but I would still say it would be best for another Chinese leader. Sikhism is less likely as we are probably not going to get another Indian leader, even though it was founded in present-day Pakistan.

 

[Zaarin]

If they add the Celts, Druidism could be included as their choice.

Druidism is already in the game: it's called selecting a pantheon belief.

 

[Greywulf]

Israel is never going to happen probably. Too controversial even depicting Ancient Israel, which I would love. There was mention of Queen Judith of Ethiopia being a Jewish leader, however I am more partial to Axum era Ethiopia, which she laid waste to by destroying the monuments and churches of that era.
Shintoism could only be used for another Japanese leader and even then Shinto was kind of infused with Buddhism when. Confucianism spread across to Japan, Korea, even Vietnam, but I would still say it would be best for another Chinese leader. Sikhism is less likely as we are probably not going to get another Indian leader, even though it was founded in present-day Pakistan.

I just posted a new thread to specifically discuss this (Link: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/expanding-of-religions.626869/), but I will answer these posts quickly...

Yes, but they could make it that certain leaders randomly pick between 2 or more different religions. An Indian leader may randomly pick either Hinduism, Islam, or Sikhism, for example. At least religions like Sikhism and Shintoism would be occasionally chosen by the AI, rather than never.

Druidism is already in the game: it's called selecting a pantheon belief.

I'm sure Modern Druids would argue that they are more than that. Other religious ideas are more vague and generic however, such as Animism, Shamanism, and especially the term Traditional religion.

 

[Zaarin]

I'm sure Modern Druids would argue that they are more than that. Other religious ideas are more vague and generic however, such as Animism, Shamanism, and especially the term Traditional religion.

Yeah, let's leave neo-paganism out of it...Modern Druids have nothing to do with the actual religious practices of the Celts.

At least religions like Sikhism and Shintoism would be occasionally chosen by the AI, rather than never.

It already is. Any leader who doesn't favor a religion randomly selects one.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

At least religions like Sikhism and Shintoism would be occasionally chosen by the AI, rather than never.

I've had Shinto Gilgamesh, Jewish Cleopatra and Sikh Phillip before.
Not in the same game though.

 

[Havendish]

Well the Great Wall was made into a UI from a wonder, Machu Picchu could be done similarly.

Reminds me of Chichen Itza being a Great Wonder in the game too (Mayan city)

 

[Greywulf]

Yeah, let's leave neo-paganism out of it...Modern Druids have nothing to do with the actual religious practices of the Celts.

It is very different now, you are right, however there are distinct parts of their religion that is directly derived from their ancient progenitor, which one might call a reconstruct. Wicca as well, although that is a distinct religion from Druidry, despite some striking similarities. Really, it's the best we can do when it comes to adding a pagan religion for the Celts.
In a way it is like Christendom, which has adopted lots of ancient practices from a variety of pagan sources, but it has become its own group of distinct religions. Druidism has a much more focused connection to one specific ancient pagan religion, though that being said, Christendom has taken from the exact same practices as modern Druidry and Wicca has, so one could even argue by the same logic for say Catholicism to represent the ancient Celts.

~ anyway, this is getting off topic, so perhaps we can continue this in the religion thread I just created? I'm happy to talk about it, but I don't want to derail this thread.

It already is. Any leader who doesn't favor a religion randomly selects one.

Ah yes, true. What I mean is that they could randomly select from a couple, and if those are both already claimed, then randomly select any other religion. This would mean that Japan would select Shintoism more often, as well as Buddhism.

 

[Siptah]

I might be the only one, but I would certainly be happy if Firaxis would choose the Muisca or Mapuche over the Inca in R&F. Inca would sell well as a DLC later on, but expansions seem the only chance to get other South American civs. I‘m pretty sure that I will be disappointed in that regard.

 

[Haig]

Fingers crossed for no Inca hints today... nothing against them but they seem most likely (from the blurry leader pic) than others, and having something else could settle the "China leak" issue.