Poll's on demand?

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

I think i just came up with a good idea to do some bureacratic reformation's.
What if we would hold poll's on demand?
that is ,defacto no poll's will be held unless a citizin post a poll that he demand's it and with the option's agree or disagree.If the poll would have a sufficiant number of vote's (a certain percentage of the population ,or otherwise said more vote's on agree than on disagree) ,then the leader would hold a poll on the specific matter.Than mean's defacto the leader would have the power to decide what to do.But he must post a plan for what he is intending to do every so time ,so that the people know what's he's up to.That mean's the leader's would have much less bureacracy to do for poll's that have a low interrest anyway and that is not really asked for.

An example:
We have the gouvernor position's.They have to hold each 5/6 poll's for the city they "control".Some of them get really low interrest and are almost useless due to their obvious outcome.
Under the new system the Gouvernor would work under the 1 cp thread where all the screenshot's for every city are held.And since every screenshot fill's in one reply ,the reply itself will explain what the gouvernor is intending to build the next few turn's.the citizin's can read that ,and if they agree everything is fine and another few turn's can be played.Otherwise ,the citizin's hold a poll for the proposed city construction's to change it ,and that will pass when more than 50% of the vote's say agree ,forcing the gouvernor to hold a poll for that specific city.

Well it need's some refinement ,but what do you think? I think it will make both citizin position's and leader position's much more interresting.The leader's will have defacto much more power ,but there will be lot's of opportunity's for intrigues and people will be much more interrested in having a leader positio ,it will make the possition's much more fun an wanted IMO.

edit: this may well be the final touch this game need's.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Is there really nobody who has comment's on this?

 

[Mr Spice]

It is at least worth trying. If it should work then much will be gained. Ministers could still post polls if they feel it is necessary (without it being demanded from them). The system with polls and the system with turn chats are in some ways in conflict with each other. If this reform should work that conflict could perhaps be avoided.

 

[duke o' york]

So how many polls would we end up with? They'd be polls to hold polls to hold polls.
I think it'd be better if the polls were forced upon the governors by popular demand. If the governor puts up the province thread with new screenshots of every city and then adds what he/she intends to build there then somone can PM the governor in question and say that they would prefer it if the city built something else and demand that a poll be posted on the subject. For example: the governor of Deimos posts that he/she intends to build a caravan in Sixchan. Someone else notices this on the province thread and PMs the governor saying that we need another musketeer there as this person's feeling paranoid. The governor then posts a poll on the city and includes both options and all others possible and things proceed as normal (Kev and I hijack the poll and vote for caravans, caravans! ).
If however, the governor of Phobos decides that Cornmaster needs city walls and no-one PMs to dispute this then there is no need for another poll and the city walls can be built.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Excellent idea, Duck. I have already foreseen this at the beginning of the game when thinking how the cities will be admin when we have 100 of them. We citizens appoint you to rule, not just to poll you know.

Only when things go wrong (fr our point of view) shld we raise the issue to be debated by all. It's how the real world works most of the time anyways.

As long as the relevant leaders post first what they intend to do and some idea how they're going to do it, shld work ok. Just make sure we have competent leaders always.

 

[Dell19]

I will do this next time but I had already posted all my polls when I read this...

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Ok ,i gonna push this system tghrough and will make it a new rule ,so i can test this.I already decided to make this a rule in the new upcomming CivIII demo game .

As therefore ,now every department will start a new thread that will be made sticky.in that thread the leader's will post the thing's they will do in the upcomming thread's.The science leader will post a reply every time a new science has discovered posting the next research to pursue when the current science has been discovered ,this in a tjhread name'd "the science department.I will post a thread with screenshot's to all the city's of my province ,put in my build queue's for the next turn's and i will merge it with Dell's screenshot thread,and rename that thread to "the Department's of Gouvernor's".Duke o York and kev will make a thread with the name "The Domestic department" where they will reply every time the made a new decission.The same goes for the millitary and Diplomacy department.

Ammendment's that may be changed:

1) Any contradictionary decission's between various department's will be worked out between the leader's or ,when they disagree ,will be decided by a cabinet vote.this mean's that for ex. when the gouvernor's have decided what to build in theyre city's ,but the domestic leader want's to have ten caravan's build in city's of his liking ,then these 2 leader's need to work out an agreement.the leader can agree and just change his decission in his thread and inform the people that another leader has decided to do something else for this matter ,or he can disagree.If they can't work out a concensus a cabinet vote will decide what to do. (ega.let the domestic advisor work out his plan ,make the gouvernor's work out theyre decission's or the cabinet that make's an other decission)

2) In addition ,ill give the president the power to ovverride basicly every decission made in the nation if he get's enough support from the cabinet.that mean's that the president will have a thread where he will make decission's.If the leader on who's department the presidential decission has effect agree's with that ,then he update's his thread to inform the people of that.If her disagree's ,a cabinet vote will decide who get's to make the decission again.In addition ,while the people have the right to try to revoke a leader decission ,a presidential decission can not be revoked.This all is to give the president somewhat more power ,and since he is the best informed player he may be best to spot little decission's that must be changed.

These ammendment's are not a fact yet ,they are debatable and they may need some more input ,but i will tottaly strive for these reformation's and reform our gouverment working to this system.just trust on me ,this is nesecary for the future of the Demo game and i feel it make's the game s so much more interresting.If the nation lack's people ,the leader's can still continue the game in a sort of CVommunistic form ,but i hope and suspect that these reformation's will make more people come to play this game again.

Well guys ,i know i can rely on youre experience ,so give this yourer input.I think we can succeed in making these reformation's a resounding succes.

 

[Dell19]

This looks like a good idea! No more time consuming polls, now I will just have to take screenshots and of course make preliminary decisions...I will try ad accomodate Kev's caravns but I may try and limit them abit more to half the cities in my province instead of 5/6 cities...

 

[spycatcher34]

I like this. But wouldnt it get rid of the rest of the gouvernment? Just the prez would be really needed...

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

Originally posted by spycatcher34
I like this. But wouldnt it get rid of the rest of the gouvernment? Just the prez would be really needed...

If I understand it right, the ministers would still act as they do now. It would just be that when an issue arises, they state their opion and if no one objects, that is what is recommended to the Pres. Only if people have different ideas would a poll then be posted to decide the issue.

Is that how it would work?

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

If I understand it right, the ministers would still act as they do now. It would just be that when an issue arises, they state their opion and if no one objects, that is what is recommended to the Pres. Only if people have different ideas would a poll then be posted to decide the issue.

Is that how it would work?

Indeed ,that's how it work's.that mean's defacto the leader's don't have to hold all those poll's and thread's.If the people disagree with something they'll have to act themselfs and force the leader in question to open a poll for that issue.

That mean's that the leader's decide about everything ,but the people still have a backdoor if a leader decide's something that isn't really good.

i made ammendment 2 because i feel that the President needs more power to.Therefore the president could override all decission's with his decission's ,but only if the overrided leader accept's or when 50% of the cabinet agree's with him.
Therefore the president can make a decission on about every matter he want's ,but he still needs the support of the cabinet.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

OK then ,in a next step to reformation's i urge all leader's to post a depatment thread ,that i will make sticky.

like this:
The Science Deparment
The Millitary Deparment
.....

and in those thread's the leader's will post their decission's.

The gouverner's will all post a thread for theyre province and ill merge them.

 

[Pellaken]

I posted a science question. eathier as sci min or as a poll-on-demand.

also, I will use this as my "science" thread for now. should I win the election, I will post thread on it.

 

[Mr Spice]

This brings up a question: What will happen with the turn chats? Either all ministers would need to be present to make decisions on the fly, or they could settle for giving the president guidelines for what to do. If we choose the second option the president will be the one taking all specific decisions and he won´t need the input from citizens/ministers that a turn chat provides. In this case he could as well play the game himself and inform the rest of us afterwards.

We also need a discussion regarding the role of "ordinary" citizens. If we are not careful this system could easily turn into despotism, where a few decide everything and don´t pass on very much information to the rest of us about what is happening. Such a development would effectively exclude all players without an official position.

 

[Ren]

I don't think that the citizen posting a poll on whether the minister should post a poll is necessary. I see that if a citizen requests a poll, the minister posts it, and that's that. What do ewes think of that? What about youse?

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

I don't think that the citizen posting a poll on whether the minister should post a poll is necessary. I see that if a citizen requests a poll, the minister posts it, and that's that. What do ewes think of that? What about youse?

Granted ,that would be better.I have a good idea on organizing that ,ill create a thread titled "I request a poll for...." ,and in that thread anybody can reply with the issue he want a poll for.

This brings up a question: What will happen with the turn chats? Either all ministers would need to be present to make decisions on the fly, or they could settle for giving the president guidelines for what to do. If we choose the second option the president will be the one taking all specific decisions and he won´t need the input from citizens/ministers that a turn chat provides. In this case he could as well play the game himself and inform the rest of us afterwards.

Preferably ,if the leader of a department is present at the turn chat ,and a decission has to be made in-chat concerning his department then i would prefer the leader to decide.

We also need a discussion regarding the role of "ordinary" citizens. If we are not careful this system could easily turn into despotism, where a few decide everything and don´t pass on very much information to the rest of us about what is happening. Such a development would effectively exclude all players without an official position.

Well the leader's would still have to provide the citizin's what theyre planning to do.And in any case the save game is available to anyone.And the citizin's would have the possibilety to request a poll for a specific issue or matter.