Post-pandemic changes

[Patine]

Somehow I doubt the people actually affected are comforted by "well, at least you get to be a victim of a crime, just think if you lived in Uganda!"

Probably not. My point is - and the only point I've been pushing here on this topic - is I question the wisdom and productively of @Cloud_Strife condemning her treatment at home as (which is very legitimate in and of itself) and "White Imperialism," (also legitimate in and of itself) often conflated and in the same breath, and implied as though they were the same countries. The juxtaposition of those two condemnations in singular rhetoric (also intimating "White Imperialist" nations are the worst in the world for the bigotries, persecution, and oppression she suffers) is what is wrong-headed, contradictory, oxymoronic, nonsensical, and self-sabotaging. That is what I have been trying to say all this time - but, like usual, other motives and agendas are arbitrarily and wrongly applied to me right in front of me...

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Probably not. My point is - and the only point I've been pushing here on this topic - is I question the wisdom and productively of @Cloud_Strife condemning her treatment at home as (which is very legitimate in and of itself) and "White Imperialism," (also legitimate in and of itself) often conflated and in the same breath, and implied as though they were the same countries. The juxtaposition of those two condemnations in singular rhetoric (also intimating "White Imperialist" nations are the worst in the world for the bigotries, persecution, and oppression she suffers) is what is wrong-headed, contradictory, oxymoronic, nonsensical, and self-sabotaging. That is what I have been trying to say all this time - but, like usual, other motives and agendas are arbitrarily and wrongly applied to me right in front of me...

I'm still not sure what you are trying to say about the issues. Once you got past "probably not," which was reasonable and pretty well clearly stated, you seem to be mainly talking about Cloud with a healthy dose of self pity as a side dish, and whatever thread of topic laces through that mess is pretty hard to follow. Anyway, at least you gave some acknowledgement that hardships and suffering are not abated by passage of laws that routinely go unenforced, so progress is being made. Thanks.

 

[Lohrenswald]

What changes, permanent or temporary, do you foresee as having happened due to the global pandemic? Economically, socially, commercially, culturally, or personally?

Honestly I think nothing

 

[GoodSarmatian]

We might be witnessing the birth of a new (or just the popularization of an old) fetish.

 

[amadeus]

An extremely remote possibility, but I wonder if there will be any changes in monetary theory if large-scale stimulus packages are passed. With everyone focused on the immediate pandemic, it seems like the collective fiction of money is kind of being turned on its head.

Logically, there’s nothing to support the idea that pumping more money into a system is a sustainable way of keeping the basics of an economy alive (see Yugoslavia, Zimbabwe, or Venezuela) but the monetary consequences of this stimulus talk seem to be going nowhere in either government or industry.

Or I could just be going bonkers. Don’t discount that as a possibility!

 

[Thorgalaeg]

After pandemy poor will be poorer and rich will become richer. So, nothing is going to change.

 

[Zardnaar]

After pandemy poor will be poorer and rich will become richer. So, nothing is going to change.

Super rich yeah. A lot of "rich" but not rich enough are gonna get wrecked.

I'm contemplating existing on welfare.

 

[amadeus]

Would the American (or any major industrial country’s) electorate accept a change in the future whereby large-scale manufacturers had to comply with a retooling guideline that would make it possible for industry to quickly shift production to vital resources during an emergency?

Or would this result in further offshoring of manufacturing capabilities? Or would the costs be prohibitive to be practical?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Would the American (or any major industrial country’s) electorate accept a change in the future whereby large-scale manufacturers had to comply with a retooling guideline that would make it possible for industry to quickly shift production to vital resources during an emergency?

Or would this result in further offshoring of manufacturing capabilities? Or would the costs be prohibitive to be practical?

I would not be surprised to see actual domestic manufacturing requirements applied to "critical" products. I think that's a lot less complicated than any retooling flexibility requirement would be. Just a clean "this product has been classified as a 'strategic good' so if you want to participate in the ___ market X% of your product sold must be manufactured in ___." There will be massive gnashing of teeth, and there will be massive price hikes in the affected products to make up the difference in labor costs when significant production is moved into high wage first world countries, but getting caught without domestic production of critical health care products is going to leave a mark.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Expect to see a lot more of this in America: https://mashpeewampanoagtribe-nsn.g...l-take-action-to-prevent-the-loss-of-our-land

"At 4:00 pm today -- on the very day that the United States has reached a record 100,000 confirmed cases of the coronavirus and our Tribe is desperately struggling with responding to this devastating pandemic -- the Bureau of Indian Affairs informed me that the Secretary of the Interior has ordered that our reservation be disestablished and that our land be taken out of trust. Not since the termination era of the mid-twentieth century has a Secretary taken action to disestablish a reservation.

Today's action was cruel and it was unnecessary. The Secretary is under no court order to take our land out of trust. He is fully aware that litigation to uphold our status as a tribe eligible for the benefits of the Indian Reorganization Act is ongoing.

It begs the question, what is driving our federal trustee's crusade against our reservation?

Regardless of the answer, we the People of the First Light have lived here since before there was a Secretary of the Interior, since before there was a State of Massachusetts, since before the Pilgrims arrived 400 years ago. We have survived, we will continue to survive. These are our lands, these are the lands of our ancestors, and these will be the lands of our grandchildren. This Administration has come and it will go. But we will be here, always. And we will not rest until we are treated equally with other federally recognized tribes and the status of our reservation is confirmed.

I will continue to provide updates on this important issue in the coming days as we take action to prevent the loss of our trust status.

Kutâputunumuw;

Chairman Cedric Cromwell
Qaqeemasq (Running Bear)"

 

[amadeus]

@Timsup2nothin, I mean more for companies outside of those areas, like GM’s production of ventilators. How quickly can they retool to produce critical supplies?

 

[JPetroski]

Would the American (or any major industrial country’s) electorate accept a change in the future whereby large-scale manufacturers had to comply with a retooling guideline that would make it possible for industry to quickly shift production to vital resources during an emergency?

Or would this result in further offshoring of manufacturing capabilities? Or would the costs be prohibitive to be practical?

Define quickly though. People across the planet are going crazy because their governments haven't already solved this new, unique, and terrifying dilemma. It seems the only governments that are doing well at this wouldn't consider this their first pestilence rodeo. Heck, many of the leaders in Asian countries have personally responded to others.

Our industry is being engaged; the sleeping giant is waking up... But... It's groggy... I mean, do people think a light switch just went on during WW2 and overnight we were churning out thousands of tanks, aircraft, and ships? That's not how it works.

Now, could someone make the case that we should have thrown some water on the giant at the first sign of all this? Or maybe that it would be helpful if we didn't have a leader who even I have to admit seems to be doing his best impression of a ping pong ball? Sure... But the bottom line is these things take a little time. When you say things like "quickly" and we're only really 2 weeks in to taking this seriously, I don't know how much faster you want or reasonably expect?

To answer your question though - I do think that after this is all over the offshoring is going to be very much scrutinized by a large number of industries. Many companies are finding themselves scrambling to put in contingency plans now that India has locked down, for example. I don't think we'll see companies completely abandon offshore partners, but there's a definite benefit to having a nucleus in place over here that acts as a double redundancy.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Our industry is being engaged

I think you mean China's.

 

[r16]

oh my , look , am all over the place after being like locked up at home . Shall ı mock the Native American guy for his failure to guess this pandemic would be the bestest time to steal his tribe's lands ?

 

[Ironsided]

Your industry is waking up – what industry? Boing is at the top of the benefactors of the 500 Bn x 10 corporate bailout. They give Americans a onetime $1200 of shut-up money and if including babies, its maybe up to 400Bn for the people while they cue up 5 Tn for corporations. Five trillion. They hand it to Mnuchin in 500Bn chunks to see if they need to apply it ten times or not, but we all know he will. Being republican he was still a big contributor to the Kamala Harris campaign btw, hedging his corporate bets. You the American people are so fudging screwed by your corporate overlords it’s not even funny anymore. But you are also fudging brainwashed so maybe you deserve it.

 

[JPetroski]

Your industry is waking up – what industry? Boing is at the top of the benefactors of the 500 Bn x 10 corporate bailout. They give Americans a onetime $1200 of shut-up money and if including babies, its maybe up to 400Bn for the people while they cue up 5 Tn for corporations. Five trillion. They hand it to Mnuchin in 500Bn chunks to see if they need to apply it ten times or not, but we all know he will. Being republican he was still a big contributor to the Kamala Harris campaign btw, hedging his corporate bets. You the American people are so ******* screwed by your corporate overlords it’s not even funny anymore. But you are also ******* brainwashed so maybe you deserve it.

In this case I'm specifically referencing companies like Ford and others are starting to explore how to build respirators, etc.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

@Timsup2nothin, I mean more for companies outside of those areas, like GM’s production of ventilators. How quickly can they retool to produce critical supplies?

They can't. That whole thing is a crock. That's why I don't think any such "retooling capability requirement" will be happening, because it is just ridiculously impractical.

 

[amadeus]

They can't. That whole thing is a crock. That's why I don't think any such "retooling capability requirement" will be happening, because it is just ridiculously impractical.

I’m just Joe Average, sitting here with my beer. I never promised my ideas would be good.

 

[Ironsided]

Are you ready to accept your laissez faire fantasies have never ever been anything but laughable?

 

[JPetroski]

They can't. That whole thing is a crock. That's why I don't think any such "retooling capability requirement" will be happening, because it is just ridiculously impractical.

People wouldn't hate corporations half as much if they weren't very good at accomplishing what they set out to do. They can do this, and they will.