[RD] They passed Bill C7.

[AmazonQueen]

If that's what Canadian law says they'll either have to do it or go elsewhere. If it's that important those areas might not have any healthcare professionals. Or a shortage.

Or the whole lot refuse and then they have to make a decision to fire all of them.

Or hire another or pay for the patient to see a private doctor. The point is the obligation should be on the state to make sure the service is provided.

 

[Zardnaar]

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Or hire another or pay for the patient to see a private doctor. The point is the obligation should be on the state to make sure the service is provided.

There's a shortage of health care workers worldwide espicially in rural type areas.

Ideology/reality.

It might all go smoothly idk but if enough medical personnel say hell no there's not a lot the state can do about it.

They can't fire everyone or even 10% probably.

 

[AmazonQueen]

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There's a shortage of health care workers worldwide espicially in rural type areas.

Ideology/reality.

It might all go smoothly idk but if enough medical personnel say hell no there's not a lot the state can do about it.

They can't fire everyone or even 10% probably.

I didn't suggest firing anyone. Try to read.

 

[Zardnaar]

I didn't suggest firing anyone. Try to read.

The state can be obligated but what I'm saying is if they try to enforce it can potentially create more problems.

If they can't hire anyone or the private doctor isn't there to begin with.
Context. I'm assuming parts of Canada like NZ don't have the full range of health care and you might have to travel to get seen by specialists or whatever.

Also assuming they are a bit short staffed at times or in some areas?

If any of those assumptions are wrong lmk. If every medical professional in certain areas refuse or the only one refuses what are you gonna do?

There are no private doctors available or they're refusing as well. And it's hard or next to impossible to replace them.

 

[AmazonQueen]

The state can be obligated but what I'm saying is if they try to enforce it can potentially create more problems.

If they can't hire anyone or the private doctor isn't there to begin with.
Context. I'm assuming parts of Canada like NZ don't have the full range of health care and you might have to travel to get seen by specialists or whatever.

Also assuming they are a bit short staffed at times or in some areas?

If any of those assumptions are wrong lmk. If every medical professional in certain areas refuse or the only one refuses what are you gonna do?

There are no private doctors available or they're refusing as well. And it's hard or next to impossible to replace them.

In that unlikely set of circumstances the state has to pay for a private doctor from outside the area to visit to provide the service.
Its the governments responsibility to make the law work if it passes it, it can't just say its too difficult, we give up.

 

[Zardnaar]

In that unlikely set of circumstances the state has to pay for a private doctor from outside the area to visit to provide the service.
Its the governments responsibility to make the law work if it passes it, it can't just say its too difficult, we give up.

Sweet summer child lol. We had a government give up on a policy in 2017 went in to hard basket.

They do something like that here as well but for some procedures there's waiting lists+ travel and there's all sorts of things that clog that up eg doctor gets sick, family crisis, takes mandated holiday leave etc.

In some cases there's a single specialist doing some things.

If they can't find people willing to do it means the law is an ass.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Sweet summer child lol. We had a government give up on a policy in 2017 went in to hard basket.

They do something like that here as well but for some procedures there's waiting lists+ travel and there's all sorts of things that clog that up eg doctor gets sick, family crisis, takes mandated holiday leave etc.

In some cases there's a single specialist doing some things.

If they can't find people willing to do it means the law is an ass.

Not being able to find people willing to do it is pure conjecture on your part.
Its the job of government to find ways to make it work, not just say there might be problems, we won't even try.

 

[Zardnaar]

Not being able to find people willing to do it is pure conjecture on your part.
Its the job of government to find ways to make it work, not just say there might be problems, we won't even try.

I did say I could be completely wrong and it works well.

Could also be a shambles.

 

[AmazonQueen]

I did say I could be completely wrong and it works well.

Could also be a shambles.

Thats true of anything. Not an excuse to do nothing, a reason to try and do it well.

 

[Zardnaar]

Thats true of anything. Not an excuse to do nothing, a reason to try and do it well.

Knock yourself out. All I said was I opposed forcing medical personal to participate directly or indirectly. Not that they can force it as such anyway.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Knock yourself out. All I said was I opposed forcing medical personal to participate directly or indirectly. Not that they can force it as such anyway.

You've said a lot more than just that.

 

[Farm Boy]

There would be absolutely no reason whatsoever to assume there is a shortage of people that would do this if we don't assume fundamentally degrading people for the joy of evil is a required component.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

The state can be obligated but what I'm saying is if they try to enforce it can potentially create more problems.

If they can't hire anyone or the private doctor isn't there to begin with.
Context. I'm assuming parts of Canada like NZ don't have the full range of health care and you might have to travel to get seen by specialists or whatever.

Also assuming they are a bit short staffed at times or in some areas?

If any of those assumptions are wrong lmk. If every medical professional in certain areas refuse or the only one refuses what are you gonna do?

There are no private doctors available or they're refusing as well. And it's hard or next to impossible to replace them.

You assume correctly. There are remote regions where they don't even have hospitals, just basic emergency services. Anyone not treatable there is flown south or to the nearest hospital that can handle it... which brings up a new set of problems if that happens to be either in another province or even across the border into the U.S. I actually need to buy insurance if I go to another province and don't want to end up paying $$$ if I should need an ambulance. The Canada Health Act is a joke. My Alberta Health Card means I'm covered here, and nowhere else, even if I didn't want to be treated out-of-province.

In that unlikely set of circumstances the state has to pay for a private doctor from outside the area to visit to provide the service.
Its the governments responsibility to make the law work if it passes it, it can't just say its too difficult, we give up.

The government is fond of saying "it's too difficult, so we're going to study it" and of course nothing will be done.

The people in the situation where there are no willing doctors available either travel out of the country, end up/continue in palliative care and suffer, or they find a way to kill themselves... and it's neither neat, nor painless as they would have preferred. In the meantime the doctor who refused to help them gets to stick his nose in the air and pat himself on the back for the "good deed" he did.

Knock yourself out. All I said was I opposed forcing medical personal to participate directly or indirectly. Not that they can force it as such anyway.

Referrals are not participation in any way.

There would be absolutely no reason whatsoever to assume there is a shortage of people that would do this if we don't assume fundamentally degrading people for the joy of evil is a required component.

"fundamentally degrading people for the joy of evil is a required component"... WTH does this word soup even mean?

What people are being "degraded" other than those being told that "my religion trumps your suffering, so go ahead and suffer - it's good for your soul"?

 

[Zardnaar]

You assume correctly. There are remote regions where they don't even have hospitals, just basic emergency services. Anyone not treatable there is flown south or to the nearest hospital that can handle it... which brings up a new set of problems if that happens to be either in another province or even across the border into the U.S. I actually need to buy insurance if I go to another province and don't want to end up paying $$$ if I should need an ambulance. The Canada Health Act is a joke. My Alberta Health Card means I'm covered here, and nowhere else, even if I didn't want to be treated out-of-province.


The government is fond of saying "it's too difficult, so we're going to study it" and of course nothing will be done.

The people in the situation where there are no willing doctors available either travel out of the country, end up/continue in palliative care and suffer, or they find a way to kill themselves... and it's neither neat, nor painless as they would have preferred. In the meantime the doctor who refused to help them gets to stick his nose in the air and pat himself on the back for the "good deed" he did.


Referrals are not participation in any way.




"fundamentally degrading people for the joy of evil is a required component"... WTH does this word soup even mean?

What people are being "degraded" other than those being told that "my religion trumps your suffering, so go ahead and suffer - it's good for your soul"?

You're popping my preconceptions of Canada Valka.

I hear horror stories here but I suspect it depends where you live. Normally you go with whatever the local DHB decides but you can go to bigger city or whatever.

There's choke points on certain procedures.

Mum's cancer treatment the government paid for her travel costs and accomodations. She lived about an hour north of me.

The local council also has "Oamaru House" over the road from hospital. Basically Uber cheap accomodation for people from that small town. Maybe the DHB runs it idk.

We've got one of the few medical schools (1 of 2 iirc) here though so there's lots help.

Bit rough out in the provinces small hospitals if you break a leg or something. There's an air ambulance and helipad on our hospital.

How good/fast your treatment is varies. Mum got diagnosed with cancer was getting chemo the following week.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

You're popping my preconceptions of Canada Valka.

Sorry. It's not something they mention on the tourist brochures. We're normally very nice to the tourists, but can be absolutely vicious with each other.

Add to that the fact that AHS (Alberta Health Services) just took over ambulance and other emergency dispatch from the cities themselves. So if I have a heart attack tonight and call 911, I'd have to go through an extra layer of agents for them to send somebody to help me. By the time they figure out where I live, I could be dead.

It can get confusing if I'm talking to an agent not based in Red Deer. Streets and avenues run in reverse in Red Deer than they do in Edmonton and Calgary, and our city doesn't have quadrants. And if the street numbers aren't clear... someone in another city won't understand any landmarks I give for reference points. People even get confused here.

Mum's cancer treatment the government paid for her travel costs and accomodations. She lived about an hour north of me.

I'm covered for basic ambulance, but I don't know if that means just within the city/to the nearest ambulance or if it would also be covered if they rerouted me somewhere else.

How good/fast your treatment is varies. Mum got diagnosed with cancer was getting chemo the following week.

Waitlists here are insane. The friggin' diabetes diagnosis did me a favor when it came to how fast I got in for cataract surgery. When I explained that 6 months was too long and I'd be blind by that time, it would be impossible to take care of myself regarding diabetes (I received both diagnoses in the span of 24 hours). I had to be able to [/i]see[/i] to read labels, to carry out testing, to give myself injections, and my eyesight was so bad by then that I couldn't even see myself clearly in a mirror. I could hardly even read anything online unless it was white font on dark background and the font was very large. Everything was either too close or too far.

So I got shortlisted for the cataract surgery - 1 month for the first one and 2 more months to the second one. If they hadn't done that, I wouldn't be typing this. I would be blind.

 

[Zardnaar]

Sorry. It's not something they mention on the tourist brochures. We're normally very nice to the tourists, but can be absolutely vicious with each other.

Add to that the fact that AHS (Alberta Health Services) just took over ambulance and other emergency dispatch from the cities themselves. So if I have a heart attack tonight and call 911, I'd have to go through an extra layer of agents for them to send somebody to help me. By the time they figure out where I live, I could be dead.

It can get confusing if I'm talking to an agent not based in Red Deer. Streets and avenues run in reverse in Red Deer than they do in Edmonton and Calgary, and our city doesn't have quadrants. And if the street numbers aren't clear... someone in another city won't understand any landmarks I give for reference points. People even get confused here.


I'm covered for basic ambulance, but I don't know if that means just within the city/to the nearest ambulance or if it would also be covered if they rerouted me somewhere else.


Waitlists here are insane. The friggin' diabetes diagnosis did me a favor when it came to how fast I got in for cataract surgery. When I explained that 6 months was too long and I'd be blind by that time, it would be impossible to take care of myself regarding diabetes (I received both diagnoses in the span of 24 hours). I had to be able to [/i]see[/i] to read labels, to carry out testing, to give myself injections, and my eyesight was so bad by then that I couldn't even see myself clearly in a mirror. I could hardly even read anything online unless it was white font on dark background and the font was very large. Everything was either too close or too far.

So I got shortlisted for the cataract surgery - 1 month for the first one and 2 more months to the second one. If they hadn't done that, I wouldn't be typing this. I would be blind.

No idea what waitlists here are. Varies by location and what you need. Ones 40 years apparently.

 

[AdamCrock]

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