Pre-SysNES2: Beta-testing and Submission

Maybe if people had taken a break from the unrelenting bloodshed in SysNES1 they might have found out a thing or two.

I WAS PEACEFUL. Simply never had any ruins for me to search!

Disenfrancised said:
Incidently for you Americans with a red-white-and-blue wedge the size of the washington monument in your heads about what republic has to mean, I'm going to put it explictly what I mean in this setting by republic.

-Strong rule of law and meritocratic equality under the law, and little/no private law.
-Leadership is choosen by the popular regard those individuals are held in by general society (this regard commonly shown via some sort of counting of population) and opporate under a proscribed series of rules
-Societal input into decision making only comes during said selection of leaders

So when you refer to meritocratic equality, how does that affect the distribution of wealth? Or are the economics set aside from the political aspects?

By the third part, does that mean political leaders usually ignore present public opinion and continue with their original mandate? Are we talking more of a Roman Republic type government where government leaders can be prosecuted for their actions or something else?
 
its sum market value bonus that it provides destress from, it also provides destress to all other habs based on its market.

So what exactly does a Media Centre represent? I mean, the meaning of the term I’m familiar with doesn’t really explain why it provides destress based on total market value, especially the shipping part.
Oh, and in the stress calculation, the local market term for Media Centre isn’t modified by the media effect policy modifier, only the global market term is. Possibly intentional, felt like I should mention in case it’s not.

It’d be nice if specialist teaching contributed to talent attractiveness, though it seems that’d require an extra cell somewhere. That is the case in OTL after all (more would want to study under some brilliant Nobel-prize winner than under a more mediocre person).


In the commercial section of the battle calculator:

EW Action and Insider Information affect creation chance even though they say they shouldn’t. They're not supposed to be toggled when you're checking creating chance, sure, but it would take little to just make them not affect creation chance at all.

Having a higher network effect leads to lower data trading chances if you have less than 2 data centers.

Trade goods controlled by enemy and enemy trade bonus do not factor into the trade contesting calculator.
 
So when you refer to meritocratic equality, how does that affect the distribution of wealth? Or are the economics set aside from the political aspects?

By the third part, does that mean political leaders usually ignore present public opinion and continue with their original mandate? Are we talking more of a Roman Republic type government where government leaders can be prosecuted for their actions or something else?

What I'm saying is that its a very broad definition of republic.
 
Are additional Farms / Mines / Pumps beyond the first not supposed to increase f / m / v production in the ExampleCiv tabulation sheet? At present they don't seem to.
 
Just wanted to say this is amazing. Wish I had time to play. But will be lurking.
 
So what exactly does a Media Centre represent? I mean, the meaning of the term I’m familiar with doesn’t really explain why it provides destress based on total market value, especially the shipping part.
Oh, and in the stress calculation, the local market term for Media Centre isn’t modified by the media effect policy modifier, only the global market term is. Possibly intentional, felt like I should mention in case it’s not.

Its a place where media is produced? The more systems hubbed to this world the greater its potential audience.

It’d be nice if specialist teaching contributed to talent attractiveness, though it seems that’d require an extra cell somewhere. That is the case in OTL after all (more would want to study under some brilliant Nobel-prize winner than under a more mediocre person).

Nice but WRONG. If they were effing researchers I would call them researchers, they are talents, just people good at creative and professional activity. s doesn't just go on science you know.

In the commercial section of the battle calculator:

EW Action and Insider Information affect creation chance even though they say they shouldn’t. They're not supposed to be toggled when you're checking creating chance, sure, but it would take little to just make them not affect creation chance at all.

Since the only relevant rolls will be made by me - I don't care.

Having a higher network effect leads to lower data trading chances if you have less than 2 data centers.

Trade goods controlled by enemy and enemy trade bonus do not factor into the trade contesting calculator.

Fixed.
 
Drinking a now almost priceless class of zucco, her mind wandered. Never would she have imagined that she would leave Datha, let alone the sector. Yet here she was, simply another person of a vast fleet heading towards the outlands. Why? Was it because she still remembered that day? But who didn’t remember when hundreds of billions began to scream out… and were silenced.

We interrupt you to bring breaking news: all signals from Datha have ceased to broadcast. Our system analysts have already denied any technical malfunction and the representative of the Government has stated that they are still receiving reports on what is ongoing. We shall endeavor to keep you updated.

She froze. It couldn’t be a big deal, right? Communication blackouts were common after all. The Dathic-Apeilic war had already gone on for a while before she left Datha yet she had never really felt concern there. It wasn’t the most pressing thing on her friends’ minds; the next show or the new restaurant was much more pressing than the war. After all, nobody had expected the Apeilics to stand a chance. It was just a sideshow.


She shook her head to try and forget. Through intermediaries, her father had arranged for her and her little brother to leave Datha for some safer location. It would have been difficult but her father was a quite influential shipper and had extensive contacts in the Csser’ian Confederacy of the Core Worlds.

It has been confirmed. Datha of the Hundred Moons has ceased all communications. Datha of the Hundred Moons has been inflicted a horrific attack by the Apeilics. The estimated casualties number in the tens if not hundreds of billions. We are still receiving reports and Government has yet to make a statement on these truly horrific actions of our allies.

Her heart had almost stopped. It couldn’t be. It was over then. Any battle over Datha would have horrific. If a single moon’s orbit was slightly de-stabilized, untold numbers would die. And in battle, more than one moon might be affected.


After that, there was really nothing left for her. She wallowed away. When she was offered a position as a doctor on one of the many starships leaving the Core Worlds, she took it and with the job, took her brother and herself away from the civilization and into the unknown.

She would never forgive the Apeilic genocide.

She was Dathic Csser’ian.

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“Senator Cvorak?” He sighed. The young rascal would never remember to simply call him by his first name, as he preferred, Haymir. Those overeducated younglings were too fond of formality. “Senator? The Chancellor insists that you come immediately. It is extremely important and is related to… the war.” The intern said that with a hint of excitement. He knew it. He glared at the young man, “The war is not something to feel excitement for. We fought reluctantly, to defend the weak against an aggressor.” Standing up, he put on his jacket and made his way to the Chancellor’s office.

Pausing outside of his office, he paused to admire the marble sculptures of two black Neferis. Free, independent, friendly and righteous; they were the symbols of the Csser’ian People. And what beautiful animals they were. He would need that inner calm before meeting with Chancellor Andrygiz. It wasn’t that he disliked the man; far from it, he immensely liked Adrygiz and they frequently played croquet polo together whenever the weather allowed. It was that politically, he and Adrygiz were polar opposites. While Adrygiz commanded the majority, he was the leader of the Loyal Opposition in the only issue which mattered: the issue of the war, and the alliance with the Apeilic Iris.

He was no Datha-lover. He wasn’t even sure of the Datha themselves even liked each other. When Datha had dispatched her second warfleet to “teach the Apeilic Iris a lesson”, he had advocated an aggressive diplomatic and economic program aimed at relieving the tensions. His bill had been outvoted on a slim margin. The denouncement of Dathic hegemony and domination had been proposed by Adrygiz and now years later, the war had been fought.

Walking into the room, he almost stepped back in shock. It was not one of the many personal meetings he had with Adrygiz. This was a full-on military-political-economic-intellectual conference. What was going on? Was this the military coup he had always feared? Probably not. Andrygiz was chairing the meeting and as much as he liked the man, Andrygiz wouldn’t know the difference between a gun and a bow.

“As Haymir has so gladly decided to grace us with his presence, I will endeavor to begin. I am afraid I have the most distressing news that this your respective persons will likely have ever heard. My government as of two hours ago received a formal notification from our allies, the Apeilic Iris, about an occurrence… of a solar flare in Datha. This solar flare is estimated to have caused an horrendous amount of casualties. The Apeilic Iris do not project there to be any survivors.”

A collective gasp, and then silence filled the room. He felt his palms instinctively turn into fists. Billions… dead? Just like that. He could only imagine

“As a trusted ally, the Apeilic Iris has also informed me that it is extremely possible that this solar flare could have been induced by the actions of their military though they lack all of the necessary information at the moment. This tragic news was delivered most solemnly by Ambassador Stavi. Our advance scouts and long-range sensors have also confirmed the account of the Apeilic Iris.”

The silence in the room could have killed. The expressions were hardly polite: half were torn with disgust and the other half with sheer livid rage. He stood up, absolutely livid.

“This is… nothing more than sheer genocide. The Apeilics are mass murderers and nothing more. This is nothing but a repeat of the slaughter of the Weizpony. I demand that we take immediate action against the Apeilics. Solar flares would not suddenly occur in a way to engulf Datha and her Moons. I demand that we launch an inquiry.

The Csser’ian People shall have no role to play in the genocide of billions!”
 
That's very nice alex, two criticisms of the style a) no one would refer to it as the Dathic-Apeilic war in their own head whilst it was ongoing, rather 'the war' or some nickname, and b) Datha of the hundred moons is more a literary flourish than something someone would use in conversation, Datha System is what they'd probably say. On the actual mechanics, its hard to cease all communications from a whole heavily developed system...
 
Yeah the first point I forgot; I'll be sure to keep that in mind. I wrote the whole thing half-exhausted on the train.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assumed it wasn't exactly televised to everyone when the Apeilic-induced solar flare kind of destroyed the system. I just imagined that the news media would first react to the lack of communications and then try to find out what happened in the system. Or a play by play discussion of how the galaxy reacted to the evens happening. How exactly does inter-galatic communication and news media work?
 
You seem to have made up the solar flare thing, I had an antimatter confinement beam punching right though a battlemoon and hitting the Dathic surface, and the shards of the battlemoon (which would have been only plasma if the beam had been set correctly) causing a systemic collapse of the orbital environment. The rest of the system was untouched (well apart from prior and continuing battle damage).

News Media get information the same way anyone else does, FTL text snippets with video and more information arriving later by ship (often specialist data freighter).
 
The war, as every war did, began over a disagreement; a Dathic fleet’s tactless commander trying to get an Antimatter shipment for far below the market price leading to several veiled threats being offered, threats that panicking captains carried despite the commanders intent when the power of the Iris field itself was turned against their ships to drive them off, destroying a habitat, and seeing the fleet smashed in turn. Outrage in Datha lead to another fleet being dispatched and barely defeated (the Dathics however still taking care to avoid civilian causalities at this point), the Apeilic counterattack to destroy one of the Dathic battlemoons as a warning show of force failing to completely atomise it as they intended and the resultant fragments killing three hundred billion on the other moons, inevitably causing the declaration of Total War.

Every other high technology system in the sector lined up behind either Datha or the Iris, with the lower technology societies and world ship traders running for cover or being annihilated. After a long conflict the war ended with the incineration of Datha by a Apeilic induced solar flare, a crime that still has the Iris conflicted to this day, and domination of the sector by the Apeilics and their client worlds (which they have to rely on rather more than Datha did, and the need to keep them on side informs the Apeilic ‘light but firm’ law and order approach).

I am officially confused :confused:
 
Nice but WRONG. If they were effing researchers I would call them researchers, they are talents, just people good at creative and professional activity. s doesn't just go on science you know.

Ok.

You seem to have made up the solar flare thing, I had an antimatter confinement beam punching right though a battlemoon and hitting the Dathic surface, and the shards of the battlemoon (which would have been only plasma if the beam had been set correctly) causing a systemic collapse of the orbital environment. The rest of the system was untouched (well apart from prior and continuing battle damage).

The solar flare is in the first post :p.


And just to clarify, can SODs fire during ship combat, or is the changelog/description wrong?


Anything else I can help with? I think I've bug-skimmed all the obvious (long formulas and/or hard-to-notice) places, and I'm going to wait until the trade-fix in the next version before I mess around with trade.
 
Shut up I'm drunk and irritated and was thinking of something else, thanks to the principle of legislative supremacy all statements made by current me override past me.

Yeah I decided against it qoou like I said before - its too much hassle.
 
Most recent update for specialist abilities, the starting techs, and the all new list of terraforming actions and refinement costs:

As you can see Domes and their ilks are for terraforming light, its a cheap and east way to set up a nice place and some farms (though dome farms are less productive) to live if restricted and incredibly fragile.

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Sealant Dome lists an e upkeep but doesn't say what it is.

Notice the Mag Catapult is still listed under Energy 2 Ships despite supposedly not existing anymore.

Wonder what the other component to Railguns is. Gonna guess Weapons 4.

e: Cursory thought on the matter suggests Aliens' USCM would qualify as the military arm of a mostly uniform Tech 2 society, while Halo's UNSC would be closer to a uniform Tech 3 society (steadfastly clinging to Titanium Armor and with WEP 1 or 2).
 
Sealant Dome lists an e upkeep but doesn't say what it is.

Notice the Mag Catapult is still listed under Energy 2 Ships despite supposedly not existing anymore.

Wonder what the other component to Railguns is. Gonna guess Weapons 4.

e: Cursory thought on the matter suggests Aliens' USCM would qualify as the military arm of a mostly uniform Tech 2 society, while Halo's UNSC would be closer to a uniform Tech 3 society (steadfastly clinging to Titanium Armor and with WEP 1 or 2).

Its 5/yr
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Maybe!

Sounds about right, its is interesting that Halos weapons haven't scaled with the rest of their tech. Tech 1 and a bit is meant to be end of the 21st century (with a couple of things pushed to later techs for gameplay reasons).
 
alex and qoou are both kicked from the nes for pointing it out though.

How sad.


New Product/Luxury calculator in Growth:

Edit: Nevermind. I modified the cells because I wanted to see the actual probability. I did it wrong, resulting in bugs on my end. Apologies.


- It seems that new products are a bit too common what with all the global factors. Staying ahead of the pack in 2 tech fields, having a 0.4 PSSR (the default in the current econ sheet), and having Free Market + Republic gives a 19% bonus to every single habitat.
 
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