Preaching Atheism

Ziggy Stardust

Absolutely Sane
Joined
Nov 23, 2005
Messages
27,577
Location
High above the ice
I have heard Atheist tend to preach Atheism. I'd like to give it a go myself. Ok. Here I go.

DOUBT!

Thank you for your attention, have a nice day :)

Spoiler :
Moderators, I know this looks like spam, but I actually do feel this is the best way for me to preach my worldview with regard to spiritual matters and I'd like to see whether this coincides with the experience of those who claim atheists tend to preach atheism. In other words, I would like to know if I'm doing it wrong

edit: another angle is that for many people who have faith, doubt seems to be the worse thing that can happen to you. Satan is said to be cackling in glee when he makes people doubt their faith. If that's true, I'd be considered Satan's Pawn. Is promoting doubt offensive to those who have faith?
 
I preach agnosticism based on my belief that existence of God is inaccessible to proof unless God manifests himself for all to see.

But I have no problem with religious folks unless they are hypocritical.
 
You don't even have to preach atheism per se, you only have to teach critical thinking and healthy scepticism. Atheism will follow :)
 
You don't even have to preach atheism per se, you only have to teach critical thinking and healthy scepticism. Atheism will follow :)
Hark! Is that a Winner I see before me, or art thou a Winner of the mind? Good to see you mate :)
How should I doubt, Messiah?
Screw you :p

Thou shalt read the book of no revelations, chapter one, verse one, paragraph one, sidenote one: "Make up your own damn mind you cretin!".
 
1398691230_1ce1fbbeb3.jpg
 
I suppose "doubt" works just as well as "believe"... :lol:

I certainly hope that unlike most preachers, however, you wouldn't be bigoted or insecure(think homosexuals who turn Super-Christian). :p

Or, in particular, don't be a missionary who hounds people who aren't interested... those are the worst. Doesn't matter what they preach... could be Mormonism or PETAism for all I care... it doesn't make it any less annoying.

You don't even have to preach atheism per se, you only have to teach critical thinking and healthy scepticism. Atheism will follow :)

I think I have plenty of skepticism and critical thinking, thank you very much...

How is belief in a deity and his morals any different from belief in morals without the deity? Both require faith in the morals... theists just add one more faith to it: faith in a being from which those morals emanate from. And it makes sense; without a deity, morality and principles cannot be absolute... on the other hand, by having a supreme moral authority, it becomes possible for their to be an absolute value for "morality."

...kind of sounds like might makes right, but :dunno:.

I don't think you have to be incapable of critical thought or skepticism to be a theist... maybe to be a mindless theist controlled by a "prophet" or authority figure, but not a theist in itself. The constant rambling of "atheism is the way" only helps my reasoning that atheism might as well be as much a religion as those it fights... holy war, except now it's belief in presence vs. belief in absence, rather than two or more beliefs in presence.

Maybe it's not so much theists are incapable of critical thought as they need someone to look up to; humans naturally rally around the few. It was only natural they'd eventually want to rally around someone who's perfect and infallible, as part of our desire to always be right, and always know what is right. By rallying behind a God, we can change things from being our principles, into being the principles.


That or in touch with their childhood. :dunno:

Besides, childhood friends are a poor comparison; they're hardly omnipotent. :lol:

...though at least they don't keep you guessing.
 
I suppose "doubt" works just as well as "believe"... :lol:

I certainly hope that unlike most preachers, however, you wouldn't be bigoted or insecure(think homosexuals who turn Super-Christian). :p
I'm very secure in my doubty insecurity thank yee very much :)
 
I propose a crusade to the Holy Land (Britain) to cleanse the Church of England hold on the homeland of our savior Charles Darwin and Richard Dawkins.
 
You don't even have to preach atheism per se, you only have to teach critical thinking and healthy scepticism. Atheism will follow :)

Spot on.

Preaching is something people not capable of teaching does.
 
If we are to talk about atheism, I suggest to watch this cool video about how random parts evolved into clocks.

Nice video :) Though I am afraid it won't convince the target audience, because those people have trouble with the three words shown at the end of the video ;)
 
Funny thing about that video is that I wanted to object that this thread is about promoting doubt, the thing that led me towards atheism, not about discrediting intelligent design.

Those 3 words though are exactly what I'm talking about. Consider other ways of thought. I can consider the existence of a God. I have spend a great deal of time doing just that, and found out it left me ... doubting.

I would like someone who has a great deal of faith in his religious believes to explain why doubting that faith is such a terrible thing. Or am I mistaken and is this one of my misconceptions about faith and religion?
 
I think I have plenty of skepticism and critical thinking, thank you very much...

These qualities are almost never present in people who believe in the supernatural. Or, to be fair, they're not present in sufficient amount at the right place. Unfortunately, people are very good at compartmentalizing their mind - in some areas they apply critical thinking, in others they don't - usually because there are some emotional connections which they don't want to sever.

This doesn't apply to religious thinking only - people can be selectively 'uncritical' in many other areas. If you like a girl, you may become blind to some of her faults (you'll discover them after you marry her). A world-class scientist may refuse to accept that his long-cherished theory was wrong, because he invested too much time and effort in it.

Etc.

Now, every religious person I've ever met (and talked to about religion) showed typical symptoms of voluntary suspension of scepticism and critical thinking in matters related to the core of their religion. I dare say this applies in general.

I think that if all religious people on the planet decided tomorrow to extend their innate scepticism to their religion, I'd wake up into a ~80% atheist world (the rest are simply too gullible by nature).

I don't think you have to be incapable of critical thought or skepticism to be a theist... maybe to be a mindless theist controlled by a "prophet" or authority figure, but not a theist in itself. The constant rambling of "atheism is the way" only helps my reasoning that atheism might as well be as much a religion as those it fights... holy war, except now it's belief in presence vs. belief in absence, rather than two or more beliefs in presence.

You can't believe in absence. Atheism isn't about believing at all, that's the major difference :)

Critical thinking and scepticism tells you that you can't believe in something unless you have a very good reason to. I have a very good reason to believe that America exists because there's plenty of evidence for that. On the other hand, if you told me there is another large continent on this planet that somehow escaped discovery so far, I'd be extremely sceptical. I wouldn't believe there is no such continent, I'd simply conclude that it's very unlikely.

Maybe it's not so much theists are incapable of critical thought as they need someone to look up to; humans naturally rally around the few. It was only natural they'd eventually want to rally around someone who's perfect and infallible, as part of our desire to always be right, and always know what is right. By rallying behind a God, we can change things from being our principles, into being the principles.

Even if there was such god figure, he doesn't seem to be sending clear messages. I mean, which version of "morals" and "principles" that God "offers" (or rather imposes) is supposed to be the right one? Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Pagans and others can't really agree on some unified version of the right morals, the right way of life, or even trivial things like how to worship this god figure correctly. In fact, they disagree with each other so strongly on so many things they are willing to kill. They've been doing that for the last ~3000 years at least.

This alone makes religion as a concept very doubtful, don't you think? Apparently, it serves no purpose. If its main benefit is supposed to be to provide us humble mortals with the right morals, it has failed MISERABLY.
 
Way to annoy at least 2 religions there warpus!
 
Back
Top Bottom