MrPresident
Anglo-Saxon Liberal
Cricket is different though Col. It's English. Plus you stop for tea. Got to love a sport where you stop for tea.
Predictions of US Soccer
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I don't know if soccer will take off that much in the states either, they need to see the scores go up at least once a minute or they get bored and start watching WWF.
You see, when the Statesians say football is slow, what they mean is that there aren't enough goals, which is entirely different.
If they mean it can sometimes be boring, then of course that's true. But it isn't a slow game, not really. It's just slow scoring.
You see, when the Statesians say football is slow, what they mean is that there aren't enough goals, which is entirely different.
If they mean it can sometimes be boring, then of course that's true. But it isn't a slow game, not really. It's just slow scoring.
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
Originally posted by Shabbaman
That'd be in 2006.
You're right about slow paced, but that counts especially towards the MLS (imo) since they have a lot of lousy or elderly players. (Good) football isn't really slow paced, it just has some major lags occasionally.
On the other hand, those are 9 out 10 the moments something happens, but only when you go to get some beer
Personally, I can't stand american football, since it's so slow paced... I think it's just what you're used to. Americans are probably eager to see what happens after the scrum, and get their beer before that, when you know for sure that nothing will happen since all players are just standing there, having some gatorade (yuk)...
The problem when I see Soccer (I can't even call it European Football because I will confuse it with NFL Europe, which is poor example anyway) is definately low scoring.
The game is many minutes long, and during this time the defense sets up a wall of players, so you just stay on one of the sides. Then you try to make a move and it gets kicked out of bounds. The other strategy is to kick it deep, only to have it head-butted back. Eventually you see a guy all alone with the ball ... But he's offsides
When I think about your American Football comment I think you are right.
Football usually has quick plays with delays in between. The good news is, that for most of the game, the delays are farely short. The advantage American Football has over Soccer is that most plays are guaranteed to do something.
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
Very slow scoring
Hockey is another slow sport, but the players move a lot faster in Hockey, and many more goals are attempted. I'm sure Soccer feels a lot like Hockey (getting really excited when it looks like a chance to score, and then collectively groaning when the play get broken up). There are more goal chances in 60 minutes of Hockey, than there are in (what was it? 90 minutes on your clocks that count the wrong way
)And Hockey is probably one of the worst TV sports in America. There have been times when more people watched the WNBA (shudders)
Maybe if off-sides rules were loosened (maybe more of an NHL style, not sure how) it would increase goal chances and (since the nets are so wide) goal scoring.
I'm not just talking about cherry-picking (standing right next to your opponents goal) because you would be needed for defense, but it would force players to spread out, making it harder to stop a player.
Shabbaman
rebuffing the rebels
Well, if that's the point then Futsal should be HUGE in the states.
prettyvacant
Bollinger Bolshevik
Hockey or Ice Hockey?
In fact if I'm not wrong the goals are larger in US to allow more goalscoring.
Football won't grow if there are stupid rules that try to "americanize" it.
Some concept are very important and shouldn't be changed.
What about shoot-outs??
What about players randomly taken into teams instead of bought?
For example, americans don't understand draws.
Don't understand promotion and relegation
Don't understand football supporters that do any sort of things for their team.
When they'll understand that this sport must be accepted as it is without changing rules, it will grow. And this is possible.
Darkness
Shadow creature
I think he meant ice hockey.....
Across the atlantic they call that sport hockey and the one without the ice they call field hockey....
They have a thing with sportsnames over there....
Plus, an higher rate of points, like basket, isn't "better".
For example, you don't exult with any basket, 80 times per game.
And you get used to see scoring.
Instead, take a simple 0:1
If this is an important match, and for example the home team wins with 0:0 and gains the promotion, a goal 5 minutes before the end of the game causes an incredible exulting for the away team supporters and players, while home team supporters turn pale. And in the following 5 minutes of fear, home supporters hope to score a goal, away supporters fear that goal. And those are 5 heartbreaking minutes.
So, even a 0:0 could contain incredible emotions.
Naturally, these emotions are amplyfied at the stadium. If any of you have an holiday in Europe, go to the stadium for an important match, you'll see what I mean
For example, you don't exult with any basket, 80 times per game.
And you get used to see scoring.
Instead, take a simple 0:1
If this is an important match, and for example the home team wins with 0:0 and gains the promotion, a goal 5 minutes before the end of the game causes an incredible exulting for the away team supporters and players, while home team supporters turn pale. And in the following 5 minutes of fear, home supporters hope to score a goal, away supporters fear that goal. And those are 5 heartbreaking minutes.
So, even a 0:0 could contain incredible emotions.
Naturally, these emotions are amplyfied at the stadium. If any of you have an holiday in Europe, go to the stadium for an important match, you'll see what I mean
Zamphyr
Master of the Pan Flute
The only way this is possible is if the Latino community continues to grow at its current rate. We change the rules over here to suit our needs.
Yep. Guilty. See, we once had a league that worked much like a European league, the NASL. It folded, bankrupt. Why? New York. In any sport here in the states without a salary cap or player sharing system, New York will have twice as much money as any other team. It unbalances the league and hurts the game in general. That's why MSL owns and places the players, to keep a stable league.
We do. We have a saying "Ties (draws) are like kissing your sister."
Understand it just fine and think its a cool idea. However, trying to get a potential owner to invest millions in a relatively unpopular sport is tough. Now try selling him on the fact that he may be relegated. Not gonna happen. I wish it would. I would love to see a relegation system for MSL and Major League Baseball.
Prediction for US Soccer : they easily beat New Zealand tomorrow
I don't think that hoping on the Latino community is the right way.
It's only a matter of "accepting a foreign sport" without trying to americanize (and distort) it: it has draws, low goalscoring, no shoot-outs, etc.
I understand.
In many European nations there are only 2-3 top teams, and the others only hope for a place in UEFA (usually the 3rd and 4th, or 5th and 6th plus the league cup, depending on the importance of the nation; or try to avoid relegation.
But I think that this way of doing things has a bad effect. Just like teams that change city (!!!!).
In every city, in every small town in Europe, people is fond of their football team. Get very angry if the rival town of 1500 inhabitants wins the derby.
Every small team has its competition in its division, try to buy players to improve and fight for promotion or relegation.
I think that MSL is organized in a bad way.
There are few teams. Something like Scotland or Switzerland!!!!!
Another thing I don't understand:
Why does the season begin in winter/spring and end in November???
This only happens in northern countries, where there's icy climate.
But in the rest of the nations it's August/September - May/June
Why does the season begin in winter/spring and end in November???
This only happens in northern countries, where there's icy climate.
But in the rest of the nations it's August/September - May/June
Zamphyr
Master of the Pan Flute
The MLS season is set the way it is so that it doesn't conflict with American football. Some soccer teams use Am.Football stadiums. Also, the soccer businessmen believe there is a greater interest for soccer from Spring-Fall rather than the European schedule.
Yeah, uh, that won't work here. We have teams in lesser cities/towns. Been there for years. No one watches them. Without a Major League Soccer having teams in big cities, the sport will not be taken seriously. The closest thing we have to local teams would be minor league baseball.
Yeah, uh, that won't work here. We have teams in lesser cities/towns. Been there for years. No one watches them. Without a Major League Soccer having teams in big cities, the sport will not be taken seriously. The closest thing we have to local teams would be minor league baseball.
Drewcifer
Agent of Karma
North America has much colder winters then most of Europe. Much of the US is covered in snow throughout the winter. Where I live it can get as cold as -40C in January. Matches would have to be played indoors. The previous poster's point is true as well.
MrPresident
Anglo-Saxon Liberal
You can still play football in the snow. You just need undersoil heating and decent ground staff.
Yes. It's better playing in the snow than playing inside an oven IMO
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
It's never that hot in the summer, 90 Degrees at most, usually in the 80s
Hagbart
Warlord
Actually most Americans have Euro- "roots"... So that is kind of strange to say that...
Hagbart
Warlord
You know this cup isn't really seen as more than training (well training on a high level) here in Europe (at least in Denmark)...
Denmark is participating too (won the thing in 1995), but it's never the best team that is send, usually the best players from the Danish league, while most of the A-team players play in Italy, England and so...
The only important thing this year in Europe is qualification for the EURO 2004 (European Championship) (hehe Denmark won it in 1992, brag, brag
)But I think it's a little sad that the US has to wait 4 years between each World Cup for the big mathes, because I kind of like the team... (at least more than Norways team).
So how big is the American Championship in the US, I never really hear anything about it... is it called Copa America or something??
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