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[Kraznaya]

Yes, but you don't call it "The Republic of Boston", you call it "New England," because you pick the broadest geographical region so as to give you the greatest legitimacy.

Kind of immaterial compared to "All Under Heaven!"

Song China, overstretched from fending off repeated Mongol incursions, is breaking apart at the seams. A rebel kingdom holds nearly a third of the coastline, from Shandong south to Xiamen (Amoy); while it does not reach far inland on most of the coast, there are sponsored pirates on dozens of coastal islands preparing raids against the interior. The former tributary states of Dali and Nanyue have broken away, and the hold of Song China on the heartland provinces of Sichuan and Huguang (modern Hubei and Hunan) continue to be wracked by revolts.

How sustainable would such rebel kingdom be, though? Keep in mind that the Mongol revival distracting the Southern Hai is recent.

 

[Thlayli]

Nations were never named after cities no sir.

 

[Espoir]

I fear no evil, even as I walk through the valley of the shadow of death...

Haishu, Zabid, Bengal

Experience: Played the Mazsakata Horde in DaNES and forced Karalysia to quit after he stole my Areia, then played the Kimmerian Bosporus and conquered northern Asia Minor while flaunting the word of the other polities of the oikumene, various other nations. Here to talk a big game and play a bigger one.

 

[Karalysia]

Played the Mazsakata Horde in DaNES and forced Karalysia to quit after he stole my Areia,

You wish.

 

[Bill3000]

1. Lotharingia
2. Denmark
3. Gascony

Experience: Won DaNES II as Perseid Empire

 

[ChiefDesigner]

How sustainable would such rebel kingdom be, though? Keep in mind that the Mongol revival distracting the Southern Hai is recent.

How sustainable were the Dutch rebels? I imagine that the rebels in Hangzhou, whatever they end up being called in the end, are using their riverine and coastal navy (essentially, junks with archers) to outmaneuver the Song armies, reinforce weak points, and break up sieges.

It can't last forever, but I imagine that the balance of power in China is pretty fragile right now regardless.

 

[Masada]

("Republic" is also a very Western idea, not something likely to have been introduced at this period of time without extensive Western contact. Political power comes from the Mandate of Heaven, not from the consent of the governed...)

You really need to read about some of the janx that went on in Southeast Asia with Chinese forming Republics.

How sustainable were the Dutch rebels?

Far, far, far narrower front and far, far, far more favourable geography. Even then it was no easy matter.

 

[sophie]

To be honest, calling it "Guangzhou" or "Panyu" is like calling the federation of states consisting of Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Connecticut and Rhode Island "The Republic of Boston".

Yeah...I fail to see how this argues your point.

 

[Thlayli]

You know, I feel like giving an expanded version of my credentials. For fun.

In my very first NES, NES2 V, as Persia, I organized a coalition (of the willing) to kill off Silver's aggressive, expansionist steppe empire before it could destroy my own. I then (mostly single-handedly) destroyed the Ottoman Empire, became embroiled through its' death in a war with the preeminent global power, and led a ragtag coalition of various malcontent nations to fight and lose a global war against aforementioned global power.

My second NES was LINES II. I played a seafaring, Greco-Roman nation called Veritas. Enough tragedy and heroism was born in that NES to fill a volume. Regardless, I fought two millenia of war, suffered an exodus and shepherded a variety of wayward successor states towards eventual triumph over their enemies. I fought jalapeno_dude's genocidal maniac-state bent on destroying the world, and genocided them instead. I fought, beat, and lost to Kal'thzar's Kingdom of Khemri. I built the exile-city of Redemption, which itself was destroyed and rebuilt in a massive war against the Bladeist powers. I later would personally destroy the capitals of each of the two major Bladeist powers. It was quite a game.

In the reboot of ITNES, I played as Solist Gaul, destroying the remnants of the Punic Empire before being wiped out by an alliance of...various North American States, though at that point I had switched to Suzhou, a small, militaristic state in China and was doing the national equivalent of the bombing of the USS Cole.

In N3S, I played the Satar, and I burned the world. I was defeated by das, after defeating Masada, Lord_Iggy, conehead, Ninja_Dude, and several others. And then I came back (with azale and Shadowbound's help) and defeated das' forces, as well as fellow coalition members Masada and Kraznaya.

In DNES2/DaftNES 2, I took over from das, and ran his great state of Antal/Agre. I invented a religion, started a massive civil war, and built an industrial empire. The Imperial Republic of Antalya became the greatest military power on the planet during my tenure, with the largest and most advanced industry.

I also played in AFSNES, NES2 VI, DaNES I and II, SymNES I and II, ZPNES V and VI, NEB I, DaftNES 3, NESLife, BirdNES 2, and SysNES, among others.

You may have heard of me.

 

[Masada]

In N3S, I played the Satar, and I burned the world. I was defeated by das, after defeating Masada, Lord_Iggy, conehead, Ninja_Dude, and several others. And then I came back (with azale and Shadowbound's help) and defeated das' forces, as well as fellow coalition members Masada and Kraznaya.

This hardly counts.

 

[Kraznaya]

What kind of interest rates are we looking at on debt?

 

[Kentharu]

Will interest rates be negotiable? I would hope so but that would give you a lot of work keeping track of it. You could let the burden of recording the rate fall on the player, but players can/will lie.

 

[Kraznaya]

Will interest rates be negotiable? I would hope so but that would give you a lot of work keeping track of it. You could let the burden of recording the rate fall on the player, but players can/will lie.

The loan system is based on interaction with NPC private actors, not between states.

 

[Kentharu]

Cool thanks.

Minor nitpick, could you separate the sections within the rules a bit more. There is technically one giant section on economy that includes militaries and so forth.

 

[Masada]

Er, credentials. Well, I don't really have any. I suppose the degrees might help and the stuff I do at work?

Suffice to say, mine is much much better than Thlayli's.

 

[Karalysia]

organized a coalition (of the willing) to kill off Silver's aggressive, expansionist steppe empire before it could destroy my own.

You wish.

 

[Adrogans]

Yamato
Hubaekje
Sicily

I enjoy this era of history myself, I enjoy writing stories and do a decnet job of such.
Been at this longer than some less so than others (started roughly dec 2006).

 

[Toteone]

Roughly how many men are in a company? How are they organized? My guess is its probably two-three units of about one hundred and fifty to two hundred men (roughly the number of max members of a social network) by Liutenants and with a Captain over them all.

Are our armies all broadly organized in this form or is it just stat standardization?
Thank you.

 

[ChiefDesigner]

You really need to read about some of the janx that went on in Southeast Asia with Chinese forming Republics.

References? I don't know of anything before 1911 that can be properly termed "republic," even in the Athenian sense of the word--it's just not part of the political philosophy. Even the Taiping were not a "republic" in the sense of "actually having anything resembling democratic institutions." I could be missing something indigenous, but the rise of plutocracy requires a discrediting of Confucian philosophy that doesn't occur OTL until 1895. The ROC was *new* in that it was the first national government not to derive its legitimacy from Confucian political philosophy.

Far, far, far narrower front and far, far, far more favourable geography. Even then it was no easy matter.[/QUOTE]

I'm probably not being clear--I'm seeing the Song government as something closer to republican China, circa 1936, or Japan during the Sengoku--falling apart thanks to provincial militias in the hands of ambitious local governors well before the Mongols invade, and the things shown as independent on the map are the places where not even the nominal authority of the Emperor holds. The Mongols are just helping things along.

Does that make what I'm thinking more clear?

 

[Toteone]

Where can we find the post for PoD, Perfection? Or a summary please?