Previously uncontacted tribe photographed

[RulerOfDaPeople]

I'd like to see real legendary Amazon...

 

[Holycannoli]

If you go to the Amazon you'll see that the idea of unknown tribes is not that shocking. It's just too big and too difficult to travel through.

Oh no it's not shocking. That's not what I meant.

I meant that when you actually see photos of these people all painted up and shooting arrows at the plane and camera, it looks fake, like a still from the next Indiana Jones movie or something.

This is really fascinating to me. It's always been a fantasy/dream of mine to meet someone who knew nothing about the modern world (such as going back in time and bringing someone from then back here with me), and teach them and show them everything about it and witness the marvels of it through their eyes. This just reawaked it for me (not that I wish them to be taught! They should be left alone unless their survival is seriously in jeopardy).

 

[CaptainF]

Yeah, aside from my sardonic first post in this thread, the OP really is an amazing story.

It's almost incredible to imagine, being totally ignorant of the world at large that I'm very much familiar with.

I almost wish in a way that they would voluntarily come and make contact with us (though I obviously don't want us to force them into anything).

It would be fascinating to find out all that they know...

 

[CaptainF]

More images:

Just mind boggling. I now have a somewhat guilty desire to go on one of these flights.

 

[Dann]

Just mind boggling. I now have a somewhat guilty desire to go on one of these flights.

And throw stink bombs down at them?

 

[philippe]

no, i suggest you get amazon indians on the plane, equipped with bows.

man I can already see the confusion by the villagers

 

[Dann]

"These flying creatures... They're not gods! They're demons! And.... they keep other people like us captive as slaves and control their minds too!"

"We must organize a party of warriors to rid the world of these hellspawn!"

*cue RPG music*

 

[raketooy]

Doesn't it all just not seem real?

Lol, indeed. Kinda like Warcraft 3.

 

[dannyshenanigan]

This point has been made before, but to those who think it would be possible for these people to willingly integrate into society; the vast majority would be wiped out by disease if they even tried.

 

[Ecofarm]

Is Putin or Chavez claiming the evidence has been fabricated?

If not, I guess it's real.

 

[Old Dog]

From now on, we should only use airborne nanotechnological cameras/surveillance systems to infiltrate their tribe and document them up close and personal -- without them be able to detect any outside presence. Flying directly overhead with a stinkin' Cessna is such a spoiler.

If they remain uncontacted, they're going to pass on to their offspring the legend about the 'evil buzzing dragon' that flies in the sky & tried to attack them once upon a time.

Also, if we every get to the point where our 'stealth camouflage utility uniforms' are something akin to what 'The Predator' had, we could go in there and seriously freak them out.

Alternatively, we could airdrop an elephant in there. I bet they've never seen an elephant. That'd be pretty wild. Ah, there's no limit to the fun we could have...


EDIT: we could tranquilize one of them, abduct him... and when he wakes up he'd be trapped in some kind of elaborate setup, where he was permanently stuck in some bizzare virtual reality world... like in that Lawnmower Man movie... oh man, that'd be crazy.

 

[scy12]

Hey holywood here are ideas material because we sure know that you can;t think anything clever on yourself.

 

[Chazumi]

They look like ants from way up there! Red and black variety! They will kill us all!! Run for your life!!!....


I for one welcome our new ant overlords, and offer my assistance of rounding up individuals to toil in their underground sugar caves.

 

[OttoManD]

just a thought: Though the images are low-definition, it seems as though the men are painted red and the women black... but where are the children?

 

[Narz]

It really depends on the nature of the "cult". If they're just out there, doing their thing, and not really "abusing" anyone, I'm all for the state leaving them be.

I'm generally very apprehensive over cult busting in the US. If there isn't widespread and heavy victimization going on, I really don't support the practice.

People should have a right to be left alone and live as they see fit, and to raise their children as they see fit. Western society isn't the end all be all to perspective and ways of living. Forced integration is an extremely disturbing concept. There need to be limits on what one can do, yes, but the point where the state intervenes needs to be very clearly laid out, and, imo, only in extreme cases of abuse and neglect where it is apparent that there is no sound logical reason that could justify that abuse and neglect.

Not to mention that Brazil does not have the systems in place to deal with properly integrating these people back into society, hell they don't even have the systems in place to properly integrate their own citizens into society - poverty and crime remain issues there, if I'm not mistaken. There's no reason to believe that they would be better off as Brazilian citizens.

Very well said.

Funai (the government's indian agency) tries desperately to keep the indians in their traditional lifestyle, as if it has any value in itself.

Of course, other cultures have no value.

Right now there is a huge indian problem in Brazil. Nearly all indians have adopted a modern lifestyle, and yet they still have all sorts of priviledges under the law. I've been to many indian reservations and they all have sattelite dishes and go to evangelical churches. They are granted huge reservations for free (they are 0.2% of the population but own over 13% of the land), several kinds of government assistance, and are not accountable to Justice. Just last week an indian woman stabbed an engineer who was taking part in a debate and she cannot be persecuted. In Roraima, a northern state, the criminal federal government is creating a gigantic indian reservation, against the wishes of over 80% of the population of said state. This will make the area occupied by indian reserves in Roraima almost 60% of that state's area. Thousands of families are beign expelled from lands that they have occupied for two centuries to make way for a handful of indians that plan to exploit the region's vast diamond reserves.

The only solution is the abolition of all indian reservations, save the handful of the actually non-incorporated indians like the ones in the OP. All racist legal benefits must also be abolished, and Funai should stop trying to keep people in the stone age against their wishes.

I don't know much about Funai but it sounds like perhaps these people would be better in "the stone age" with minimal contact. They are probably drawn in my curiosity & perhaps greed and then get caught in the system of welfare & dependency. Doesn't sound like a good situation. You obviously resent these people so why are you so opposed to them being allowed to keep their native lands.

Also, I had to shake my head a bit at your exclaimation that the natives owned 12% of the land. God forbid, right? Don't they realize the rainforest is property of the state?

Don't know (racial income statitics are not as common in Brazil as in the US, and the few available are debatable). But I do know that there are gigantic differences in income among indian groups.

Some time ago, several children in an indian tribe in Goiás starved to death because their parents did not bother to work and the government assistance showed up late (I started a thread about it). Those guys are obviously very poor. I've been to a Guarani tribe in Paraná, some 3 years ago, and the indians there are essentially beggars, totally dependant on government aid and private donations (literally dozens of skinny kids surrounded my car and kept asking for money, a very sad scene). But in the North, where some tribes profit immensily from diamond and wood traficking, you have entire communities of millionaire indians who own imported cars and even private jets. One private jet owner a few years ago raped several kids and Justice let him walk because of his race, even though his indian status did not prevent him from traveling to Europe and the US several times.

It's a complex issue, but the only certainty is that the current policy failed in all fronts.

Sounds like it certainly has!

 

[emzie]

just a thought: Though the images are low-definition, it seems as though the men are painted red and the women black... but where are the children?

Hiding. The article notes that there were many more people on the first fly by. When the plane came back, it seems the non-warriors had fled.

 

[luiz]

Of course, other cultures have no value.

No culture should be artificially preserved, and this includes my culture and yours. Times change, habits change, languages change. It's as natural as the rainforest.

I don't know much about Funai but it sounds like perhaps these people would be better in "the stone age" with minimal contact. They are probably drawn in my curiosity & perhaps greed and then get caught in the system of welfare & dependency. Doesn't sound like a good situation. You obviously resent these people so why are you so opposed to them being allowed to keep their native lands.

I don't oppose the lands for non-accultured indians. But there are virtually none of those. 99.9% of the indians (or more) have contact with the modern world and receive all sorts of assistance from the government, but they still are not criminally accountable and get huge pieces of land for free.

If they had remained in their "savage" state I would not oppose reservations at all, but I can't accept giving all sorts priviledges to brazilians just like me just because of their wide eyes and straight black hair.

Also, I had to shake my head a bit at your exclaimation that the natives owned 12% of the land. God forbid, right? Don't they realize the rainforest is property of the state?

Again, my problem is that they are given that huge land even though they are not actually savages. They are inserted in brazilian society, and so if they want land they should buy it and pay the appropriate taxes just like the rest of us. Doing that I couldn't care less if they buy 13% or 60% of the entire land of the nation.

 

[Holycannoli]

What I want next is video footage of a flyby. Pictures are one thing; video is another!

 

[Narz]

No culture should be artificially preserved, and this includes my culture and yours. Times change, habits change, languages change. It's as natural as the rainforest.

I agree with that but people shouldn't be lured away either.

I don't oppose the lands for non-accultured indians. But there are virtually none of those. 99.9% of the indians (or more) have contact with the modern world and receive all sorts of assistance from the government, but they still are not criminally accountable and get huge pieces of land for free.

That does seem unjust. I would oppose it. Besides, as great as free-money and benefits sounds it can become somewhat of a curse.

If they had remained in their "savage" state I would not oppose reservations at all, but I can't accept giving all sorts priviledges to brazilians just like me just because of their wide eyes and straight black hair.

Fair enough.

Again, my problem is that they are given that huge land even though they are not actually savages.

You're use of the word savages makes me or lqtm (laugh quietly to myself) at least.

They are inserted in brazilian society, and so if they want land they should buy it and pay the appropriate taxes just like the rest of us. Doing that I couldn't care less if they buy 13% or 60% of the entire land of the nation.

Well, it depends if their ancestral homes even exist anymore. If they don't maybe they do deserve some compensation.

 

[RulerOfDaPeople]

just a thought: Though the images are low-definition, it seems as though the men are painted red and the women black... but where are the children?

If you look at the very first picture on this page that Dawgphood001 posted, (thanks btw ) You can see a child peaking his head out by the corner of the hut just infront of the women painted in black.