Previously uncontacted tribe photographed

[Winner]

I assume that you are speaking of the Aztecs, I do not think this native tribe to at the cultural level of the Aztecs, who going by history seems to be quite advanced. Therefore I think your argument that tribes at this cultural level are pretty violent and comparison with the Aztecs were quite misguided.

Aztecs were just a separate example of Latin American civilization, this tribe is clearly not civilized. I mentioned examples of behaviour of tribes on this level of development (stone age), namely New Guinea and Andaman islands, where they often behave very aggressively, territorially and savagely.

Strange. I think they have a more pressing right to survive than some right to be protected from other jungle people Winner speculates exist. I suppose we should bring them Jesus when we go save them, too, huh?

Actually, they don't Police is bound to act even if casualties are expected, if there is no other choice. As for the Winner's speculation, my speculation is clearly based on fact while you critics don't have anything at all. You can dream all day long that they're nice, kind and live long and peaceful life, but the reality is most probably much, much different.

It applies to people who know that there are laws. You can't wait that from someone who doesn't know that they even live in some country's territory.

No. I don't expect they'll know the law, which is why they must be contacted and be told what they can and can't do. That's the role of the government.

 

[LucyDuke]

I'd like to know what his criteria is to define a "complex language". Because as I said, there have in fact been discovered tribes with no past or future verbal forms, and where plural is limited to "two" and "many". That's a primitive language under any objective standard IMO.

I'm sure his criteria are better than any we layfolk could come up with. I'll browse for some definition tomorrow. Until then, I'll repeat this bit.

All languages have a complex grammar: there may be relative simplicity in one respect (e.g. no word-endings), but there seems always to be relative complexity in another (e.g. word-position). People sometimes think of languages such as English as 'having little grammar', because there are few word endings. But this is once again (§1) the unfortunate influence of Latin, which makes us think of complexity in terms of the inflectional system of that language.

There's not just one way to do something. Specifically what languages are you referring to?

Actually, they don't Police is bound to act even if casualties are expected, if there is no other choice. As for the Winner's speculation, my speculation is clearly based on fact while you critics don't have anything at all. You can dream all day long that they're nice, kind and live long and peaceful life, but the reality is most probably much, much different.

If you can demonstrate that they're savagely murdering each other, then I might give a little more credit to your suggestion that we wipe them out for their own good.

I'm not dreaming that they're nice or kind or live long or peaceful lives. I'm dreaming that they've got a way of life and a system of justice that's been working for them for longer than you want to give them credit for.

 

[Arwon]

I wish I had the hubris to think that my society was so awesome it could solve the problems of other societies just by invading them.

 

[Ecofarm]

I wish I had the hubris to think that my society was so awesome it could solve the problems of other societies just by invading them.

Do you live in the 1st world?

I wish I lived in a world that invading and killing thousands of scumbags that murder and rape their citizens beneath the banner of dictatorship would not be necessary.

If you think things like FGM, honor killings, death for homosexuality, misogny and totalitarianism are acceptable means of government you can kiss

Militarize now, there is no more time. If it was YOUR mother or daughter or wife, you would be ready to use violence right now. Somehow, the fact that such atrocity is being committed on another's loved one, thousands of miles away changes your sense of urgency. But not me. I'm pissed like they were my own. I demand it be stopped immediately - not after the diplomats are finished with dinner.

I think a lack of hubris can be traced to a weak spine. I think that all of the apologists and equatists should just slither or crawl away, for they haven't the spine to stand upright and say: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

 

[philippe]

Do you live in the 1st world?

I wish I lived in a world that invading and killing thousands of scumbags that murder and rape their citizens beneath the banner of dictatorship would not be necessary.

If you think things like FGM, honor killings, death for homosexuality, misogny and totalitarianism are acceptable means of government you can kiss

Militarize now, there is no more time. If it was YOUR mother or daughter or wife, you would be ready to use violence right now. Somehow, the fact that such atrocity is being committed on another's loved one, thousands of miles away changes your sense of urgency. But not me. I'm pissed like they were my own. I demand it be stopped immediately - not after the diplomats are finished with dinner.

uhm..eco... we are talking about an unknown tribe here, take your Iraq rant somewhere else..

I think a lack of hubris can be traced to a weak spine. I think that all of the apologists and equatists should just slither or crawl away, for they haven't the spine to stand upright and say: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

No, your "apologists and equatists: read poeple who didn't support the occupation" have a lot more spine then you can imagine and generalising everybody who isn't conform with your worldview is plain silly.

So, How's Myanmar?

 

[Ecofarm]

Didn't mean to be wildly off-topic. Didn't realize the thread I was in. The mods can feel free to move my post to the latest Iraq discussion.

 

[Arwon]

Don't worry Ecofarm, I'll indulge you. Thread forthcoming.

 

[warpus]

No. I don't expect they'll know the law, which is why they must be contacted and be told what they can and can't do. That's the role of the government.

How? Are you going to send them an email with a PDF attachment outlining local laws?

 

[LucyDuke]

How? Are you going to send them an email with a PDF attachment outlining local laws?

I think they could print them on coke bottle labels and airdrop them.

 

[Bigfoot3814]

I think they could print them on coke bottle labels and airdrop them.

Hey! I already made that joke!

 

[LucyDuke]

It was an homage!

 

[Bigfoot3814]

It was an homage!

Well, OK. Nobody seemed to notice it the first time anyway.

 

[Ansar]

Well, OK. Nobody seemed to notice it the first time anyway.

I did .

 

[woody60707]

It's a HOAX! Yep, it was a set up put up by the anti logging people, more details, and a theard by me when im not drunk off my ass now to come

http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/91536

 

[LucyDuke]

Who said "previously unknown"? I thought we were discussing "previously uncontacted"?

I mean, previously unknown? How'd they know where to find 'em then? You think they just flew around the jungle aimlessly for three days hoping to find somebody?