Previously uncontacted tribe photographed

[philippe]

Yes, it's you (in both instances).

If you had any clue, you'd know that in tribal aspects even between very close communities, very big differences can exist, they all talk different languages for example, and yes, they might even have their own culture and religion, something you might not had considered. D:

For example, one tribe in the amazon, just go hunt for food and then brew a drink where they get all stoned from in the communal tent.

It's a bit their main activity

something else then the Maya's heh?

 

[Narz]

Strange, my reaction would be to run into the jungle and hide, not provoke the dragon by shooting arrows at it

And let the dragon eat your woman & children? You coward!

I guess that bolding the part where I was introducing a hypothetical example was not enough...

If your example was merely hypothetical you should just admit you don't know crap about this tribe and drop the hysterical "we must destroy them" attitude.

If they were peaceful hippie natives, I'd gladly leave them to rot in the jungle in blissful ignorance. But as I said, tribes in this stage of development are usually quite aggressive and the fact that they were shooting at the plane kinda leads me to conclusion they're not different.

They actually have to hunt & be agressive to survive. Lions are aggressive too, it doesn't mean they're some sort of immoral scum.

What is that supposed to prove? That the native american civilizations were better than Europe? Don't be ridiculous, the reason for this is much simpler: indian women were too beautiful, they just couldn't leave them

It's not about better or worse, but evidently some whities felt more of sense of kinship with the Natives, perhaps something they'd never really felt before.

Of course the fact that they brutally sacrificed thousands of people each year by cutting their hearts off their chest alive should be conveniently omitted...

Which tribe (out of the multiple thousands in the Americas) was that? Was it all of them?

May I remind you that the Europeans were gullitining each other (and having public hangings), holding slaves and burning witches at the same time. And not just one "tribe", pretty much all of them.

 

[Narz]

For example, one tribe in the amazon, just go hunt for food and then brew a drink where they get all stoned from in the communal tent.

It's a bit their main activity

Barbaric!

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to the bar with the boys.

 

[Chazumi]

And let the dragon eat your woman & children? You coward!

Homer Simpson (again): "Oh my god! They're going to eat me! I have a wife and children! Eat them!"

 

[philippe]

Barbaric!

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to the bar with the boys.

It was funny on "tribe" though, they were all laughing like hell, becuase the visitor drank a bit too much for a first-timer.

"wooo, everything is so vibrant.."

The BBC, paying poeple to get high in the jungle since 2003.

 

[Narz]

I've never seen that show. I wonder if I can find a torrent of it. (edit : I can , gotta clear 7gigs though)

Homer Simpson (again): "Oh my god! They're going to eat me! I have a wife and children! Eat them!"

I remember that line (don't remember which episode though. Amazing that it's still going!!

 

[philippe]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/tribe/

here you go Narz, I'm sure you'll like it.

I did.

anyway, i think it's a bit of navigating required to find a viable link for the USA
http://dsc.discovery.com/video/? bclid=16731114&clik=fanmain_leftnav

here are some short vids anyway, if you are interested.

 

[Winner]

And let the dragon eat your woman & children? You coward!

I'd send them to the jungle first, of course, not let them stay in the village if I decided to fight the dragon. They've been lucky this time. If it was another dragon, it would have dropped fireeggs on their village and they'd be no more

If your example was merely hypothetical you should just admit you don't know crap about this tribe and drop the hysterical "we must destroy them" attitude.

You would like that, right? Well, sorry to disappoint you, but it's not going to happen. I am not hysterical, I am not saying "kill them all" etc., I am not saying whatever you word-twisters think I am saying.

I said, and I am repeating this for the third time now, that judging from their reaction to the plane and the past experience with tribes on similar level, we can assume they are pretty aggressive, which means they wage tribal wars with their local enemies. Now, even when they don't know that, they're citizens of Brazil (or it was Peru?) and the government is obliged by the law to prevent them from killing each other. What exactly is wrong with this assesment?

They actually have to hunt & be agressive to survive. Lions are aggressive too, it doesn't mean they're some sort of immoral scum.

Lions are not humans, they're animals who are not capable of thinking about what they're doing, in case you didn't notice. Are you equating these people to animals? If you do, you're worse than I'd be if you were right about my opinions, which you're not.

It's not about better or worse, but evidently some whities felt more of sense of kinship with the Natives, perhaps something they'd never really felt before.

I suspect their sense of kinship had something to do with the fact they could have more than one beautiful woman as their wife

Anyway, it's completely irrelevant in this discussion.

Which tribe (out of the multiple thousands in the Americas) was that? Was it all of them?

Pretty much all of them in Central America. Incas were no saint either and the jungle tribes did what junge tribes do everywhere in the world - fight for food and women.

May I remind you that the Europeans were gullitining each other (and having public hangings), holding slaves and burning witches at the same time. And not just one "tribe", pretty much all of them.

Did they execute ALL prisoners of war by dragging them on top of a pyramid and cutting off their hearts? Did they eat their limbs? Did they wage wars only to get enough prisoners for annual mass sacrifice fests?

Don't get me wrong, witch hunts were bad. Inquisiton was bad. All sort of bad things happened in Europe, but it paled in comparison to what the indians in America were doing at the same time on much larger scale.

 

[Narz]

Thanks phil. I found some full episodes. If I like season one I'll eventually go thru all of them (5?). (edit : x-post)

I said, and I am repeating this for the third time now, that judging from their reaction to the plane and the past experience with tribes on similar level, we can assume they are pretty aggressive, which means they wage tribal wars with their local enemies. Now, even when they don't know that, they're citizens of Brazil (or it was Peru?) and the government is obliged by the law to prevent them from killing each other. What exactly is wrong with this assesment?

So, when are you, as a world citizen, going to stand up against your neighbor to the far West and their agressive policies of invasion or nations that have not attacked them?

I find it quite humorous that you don't see the obvious parallels I do. American occupation in Iraq has killed what, 100,000, 500,000 Iraqis? How many, I wonder has this tribe killed? And where are their "local enemies"? If other tribes knew about them (and there violent ways) why haven't we heard about them before?

You're wildly speculating. There's no ifs ands or buts about it. If we ever manage to safely make contact and study their culture then we can certainly asses the pros and cons more rationally.

 

[Chazumi]

And where are their "local enemies"? If other tribes knew about them (and there violent ways) why haven't we heard about them before?

Duh, they obviously killed everyone that came in contact with them for some evil voodoo practices. Now we really know what happened to DB Cooper...

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Hypothetical situation: you find a tribe, whose religious practices include gang raping girls in the age of 10 and ritual burning of every 5th child, after its limbs are cut off alive and eaten by the shamans.

What do you do? Leave them to live as they are used to?

I'd film everything and sell it to pyro-necrophilia-bestiality hardcore p0rn sites (it's in great demand nowadays) and make a fortune.
Or install hidden cameras everywhere - it'd be like Big Brother.

 

[Winner]

Thanks phil. I found some full episodes. If I like season one I'll eventually go thru all of them (5?). (edit : x-post)


So, when are you, as a world citizen, going to stand up against your neighbor to the far West and their agressive policies of invasion or nations that have not attacked them?

I find it quite humorous that you don't see the obvious parallels I do. American occupation in Iraq has killed what, 100,000, 500,000 Iraqis? How many, I wonder has this tribe killed? And where are their "local enemies"? If other tribes knew about them (and there violent ways) why haven't we heard about them before?

You're wildly speculating. There's no ifs ands or buts about it. If we ever manage to safely make contact and study their culture then we can certainly asses the pros and cons more rationally.

It's quite humorous that you see parallels where they are not.

We're talking about an government and people on its territory for which it is responsible. This can't be compared to the US invasion of Iraq (you Americans seem to be obsessed with it), because there is no World Government which could have prevented it.

A war between tribes inside the zone of state jurisdisction is a matter of concern, no matter how different these tribes are.

Imagine this situation: two black/hispanic/italian/chinese gangs fight over something in one of your cities, people die. What does the government do about it? Does it leave them alone, to settle their dispute as they're used to, because that's their tradition, or it sends in the police to stop them and arrest the perpetrators?

It's the second option, naturally, because the government is bound to enforce the law. And the law in our case does apply to the stone age tribals inside the jungle as well as the 21st century people on the coast.

So, either the government treats them like animals in reserve and does not guarantee their rights as it guarantees them to the other citizens, or it does and it that case, it must contact them and stop any illegal activity, if there is any.

 

[Hitti-Litti]

We're talking about an government and people on its territory for which it is responsible.

Do the people in the tribe know that government rules their area? No.

Do gangs know that government rules their area? Yes.

Thus your criminal gang - tribe war comparison isn't valid.

 

[Ansar]

It probably wouldn't even make a difference for the government if they were there or not, so why remove them?

If they're uncontacted, it's probably because they haven't made any contact and probably haven't caused any trouble in cities, so why bother when there's bigger fish to fry?

 

[Bigfoot3814]

It's incredible that these tribes still exist.

They should throw an empty coke bottle down there and see what happens!

 

[Winner]

Do the people in the tribe know that government rules their area? No.

Do gangs know that government rules their area? Yes.

Thus your criminal gang - tribe war comparison isn't valid.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Basic principle applied in all countries which have laws...

Anyway, this is not what I wanted to say with this comparison. I wanted to illustrate the fact that government is bound to protect all its subjects, no matter how ignorant, isolated or different they are. The fact that they don't know about the government does not change the facts that they are human beings and their rights must be protected. And as you surely know, one can't voluntarily relinquish his rights.

Is it clear now?

 

[Atticus]

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Basic principle applied in all countries which have laws...

It applies to people who know that there are laws. You can't wait that from someone who doesn't know that they even live in some country's territory.

 

[Shaihulud]

Did they execute ALL prisoners of war by dragging them on top of a pyramid and cutting off their hearts? Did they eat their limbs? Did they wage wars only to get enough prisoners for annual mass sacrifice fests?

I assume that you are speaking of the Aztecs, I do not think this native tribe to at the cultural level of the Aztecs, who going by history seems to be quite advanced. Therefore I think your argument that tribes at this cultural level are pretty violent and comparison with the Aztecs were quite misguided.

 

[LucyDuke]

You death to the violent ones who fear the unknown. They're so different from us!

I know who I'd be rooting for.

Spoiler :

Brilliant smilie use!

I wanted to illustrate the fact that government is bound to protect all its subjects, no matter how ignorant, isolated or different they are. The fact that they don't know about the government does not change the facts that they are human beings and their rights must be protected. And as you surely know, one can't voluntarily relinquish his rights.

Strange. I think they have a more pressing right to survive than some right to be protected from other jungle people Winner speculates exist. I suppose we should bring them Jesus when we go save them, too, huh?

 

[Hitti-Litti]

It applies to people who know that there are laws. You can't wait that from someone who doesn't know that they even live in some country's territory.

You nailed it.