Prove God does not exist!

[carlosMM]

Okay, the planet Uranus. Was it a real thing before it was discovered?

sure thing is was real!
but we DO have indication it exists.

now come on, can you name a thing that is real but we have no phsyical indication it is?

 

[Narz]

Proving "God" does or does not exsist is silly because God is simply a concept. Either "he" is everywhere or he is nowhere. Either there is some divine order in the universe or all is just random. I happen to believe in divine order but I certianly don't belief in some bearded dude in the sky playin' us all like a game of Civ. But of course this is just my belief and I have no need or desire to prove it to anyone else. Frankly there is no way to prove it even to myself but I don't need to. The mindset creates the evidence, if I decided to belief that it is a random universe or worse, a hostile universe, I'm sure I could find plenty of evidence for that, but that would not be very useful to me.

Then give me proof there is no invisible planet 12 lightyears away, where CIV 83 is already out, and nude girls run around to please all men.

We should have more threads invloving such planets.

And since we're making it all up anyway, why not have this planet only 1 or 2 lightyears away or better yet, how about this mystical place is right here on this planet. A metaphorical "goodie hut" on some island in the South Pacific.

- Narz

 

[willemvanoranje]

By pure chance, I did read Jeremiah's tow old testament books: When I read that Jeremiah tells people to give up resistance to the the Babylonians, as the near defeat of Judah is the punishment of God, and then I read that Nebukadnezzar orders all men to be killed, except Jeremiah, I draw a very very simple conclusion:
Jeremiah was a dirty traitor. Bribed by the Babs. He simply wrote his books to cover his own behind! From a non-theistic, purely historic point of view, this makes so much more sense!

I love it!

 

[CurtSibling]

God isn't the one who want evil in this world. *Poof* there goes your logic. *poof*
Also getting rid of evil means getting rid of people.

Logic rules the game.

You cannot face the possibility that god only exists as a dream in your mind.
Better to hide in some ancient man's fantasies than take responsibility?

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Smidlee-
That was basically unreadable due to syntax errors. Can you clean it up a little?

Re the topic:

As several folks have noted, there is no burden of proof on negation in standard philosophical logic. I refer to this as Ockham's Crutch, or the Fallacy of Assumed Negation, or, preferentially, as intellectual laziness. I say question everything. Until you can prove or disprove it, there exists a chance, however infinitesimal, that a thing exists.

So, for all I can prove, there is an 11th planet populated by pink fairy unicorns that has trees which grow peanut-butter sandwiches. Due to my own prejudices, I am willing to assign the probability of that existence as a very low one, but not zero until a probe is sent into the Oort cloud to remove all doubt. Because you never know: God's sense of humor may be a lot more whacked than He let on with the platypus. . .

 

[CurtSibling]

I even admit there may have been a macro-powerful alien race that visited us in ancient times,
and awestruck primitive humans invented the legend of a 'god' to provide an answer for this event...

Who knows?
And after all, anything is possible, and we are not all-knowing.

 

[King Alexander]

Just look with what we're spending our time and energy! People die from starvation every minute we're talking, and we debate whether or not God exists! What a shame!

 

[FearlessLeader2]

I very much doubt that any of the people on this forum have any means to do anything significant about starvation or war, or we'd be out doing it.

Unless you have a suggestion? (Preferably for a seperate topic...)

 

[Iggy]

I very much doubt that any of the people on this forum have any means to do anything significant about starvation or war, or we'd be out doing it.

Unless you have a suggestion? (Preferably for a seperate topic...)

We can pray for them.

 

[CurtSibling]

We can ignore them - Which is much the same as praying.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

While that may grant them spiritual strength with which to endure their suffering (a very good thing too), I believe that our Hellenic friend had something more temporal in mind...

Curt, Curt, Curt.

 

[CurtSibling]

Yes, Yes, Yes?

You know I am being realistic.

 

[King Alexander]

I don't get the point off all these threads which debate about God or Satan. Does any of you think that it's easy to convince people one way or another, that your point is correct? They grew up with certain ideas, according to the country they were grew up and their families beliefs, am I missing something?

I would put it in another way: Do most people use their mind/brain to think at all? Have they done some serious effort/reading about their beliefs or they simply accept their beliefs because their grandmother/ father believed the same? If not, should they be called LOGICAL beings?

 

[yoshi74]

I doubt someone really expects someone else would change his mind based on such post. They serve mainly to generate communication to entertain people who arn't enough occupied by work .
I would hope that some post (especially the political ones) help to get other brains moving, but in reality its pretty much like talking to the walls. Sad, but true.

 

[privatehudson]

I can't prove god exists, I can't prove he doesn't. I don't know either way, therefore I am an agnostic

I believe it's possible that god as a concept could exist, but the theories of the majority of the world's main religions are so utterly unsensible to me that until I see some form of proof, probably through experience of some sort then I will remain undecided.

I do though agree that it is illogical to place the burden of proof on athiests.

 

[CurtSibling]

The reason I start so many religion threads?

I am an ideological sniper.

And thus seek to provide endless brain-tingling entertainment on the OT forums!

That's my disclaimer - What's yours?

 

[King Alexander]

Sorry, CurtSibling, I wasn't attacking you. Just my thoughts, nothing personal.
If you want to do brain-tingling entertainment, that's fine with me.
At least, if just ONE person gets his brain to think every now and then(since, that's what you've told) through these kind of forums, go ahead and do it more often.

EDIT: I just can't stand people who never worried enough to search about why they have the ideas they have: It was through reading/hearing? They read/heard many different sources of information, especially from other countries, or they made up their mind because their "aunt" told them so? Do they consider certain things as "taboos" and they accept them just as they are, or do they use their brain to reach to their beliefs?

 

[CurtSibling]

No sweat, Great King!

I was just speaking to no-one in particular! We had crossed wires!

 

[King Alexander]

We can ignore them - Which is much the same as praying.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

They're dying and we "pray" for their souls, instead of helping them to survive ? Do you really think that's helping them(to know that someone is praying for their souls while they're not helping them?) Come on, they need simple things, such as FOOD and WATER, for example, and not someone to pray for them. What would you think for the others if YOU were at their situation?

 

[Pointlessness]

You are using a human perspective to evaluate Good and evil. How do we know god has the same opinion of good and evil as we do? Maybe good and evil are irrelevant to an all powerful all knowing god. It seems pretty presumptuous to be judging something we claim is far superior to us using our standards.

Yes, I suppose you make a good point. However, the major religions clearly have a presumed definition of good and evil, and these religions also claim that their god is completely on the side of good. Therefore, it would make sense that the completely powerful and benevolent god of these religions would make some attempt at correcting the evil of the world.