erickcid said:
Well, God is Satan. Satan exists because morality adjusts as human beings evolve, therefore the man that is labelled as Evil by the Good and believes himself out of God's favor has something Divine to turn to for help. God understands humanity, which is why Satan is seen as a different being, in truth that is a Lie, which is rather funny when you think about it.. Anyway, the point here is Good people are not always Good despite their relative positions of authority throughout the years, hence the Divine need for Satan... I can go on here, but I am going to change gears to give you all something the think about. The Christmas Holiday - generally a time of Love and giving. Now Consider Jesus. Jesus = God = Love (as in God is Love, very popular saying). Love is attributed to the color Red. Santa = Satan (swap the letters) = Giving. The man in Red. Red attributed to passion/desire and evil. So God = Love = Red = Satan, and yes there are valid reasons for this deception, and yes fun is one of them. Red is the lowest of the (seven) colors, and it belongs to the (lowest) of the seven notes of the musical scale, which is C: and most (martial) music is in the key of C. I placed those words in () because they are of spirital significance Seven - a number of some note, commonly related to God, lowest = Satan = Hell = below = damn funny. Martial music.. remember when Heavy Metal was the devils music? Also, Red attributed to the God of War/martial, Mars, and as God says in the Bible, The Lord is a Man of War. Now the key of C.. Well C has many values for me, but here is the funny thing... the Key of C, C in this case standing for Creation. God is everywhere people.
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Oh my... I never imagined anything could get this ridiculous!
Even if there is a real connection between these things (which you choose to interpret in a very specific way), these are all cultural developement! These are all things that people associate through eachother, and incidentally, these same people are the ones who decided how to spell Santa and Satan, the same people who decided that both Santa and Satan are red, and that red hearts stand for love. These connections were created by the associations, not vice-versa!
Please cease with this folly!
FearlessLeader2 said:
What human have you ever heard of (that was not suffering from severe depression) who just crawled off into a corner to die when they got sick or badly injured? Self-preservation is not what I am talkinga bout. I am talking about the will to live. Animals give up their lives meekly when their injuries are beyond their ability to heal. No otherwise healthy human I have ever heard of has done the same. Death's onset shocks those of us who have not had the 'benefit' of psychological counsel to accept it. Think about that, of all the 'animals' on this planet, only man needs to be brainwashed to accept his own death, without that brainwashing, he denies it and fights it to the bitterest end.
No other creature in nature has our fear and disdain of death. To us, it is unnatural and alien, a thing to be abhorred above all others. We use it as our most ghastly punishment, we inflict it on those we hate, and we erect monuments to those that succumb to it and strive daily to stave it off.
And who among us do we revere the most? What professions are most noble and their practicioners obeyed nearly without question? Rescue workers and doctors, those who man the trenches against our millennias-old foe, Death. Who do we revile? Murderers and politicians, those who kill in person or by proxy. Who, among all others, do our emotions get confused and conflicted the most over? Soldiers and police, those who kill to protect citizens, or at the behest of politicians, to dominate them.
Predators routinely tear other animals limb from limb and consume them, often while still kicking. Herd animals abandon their elderly and sick. Hive insects fight wars of extermination against each other that make the Final Solution look like a walk in the park. Pack predators in action could be taped and shown as a perfect lesson in sadism and treachery. Parent predators training their young to hunt give the phrase 'playing with your food' a deeply disturbing meaning. So-called 'gentle' and 'almost-human' male great apes routinely establish pecking order in their troupes via rape, including homosexual rape.
Tell me again how man, that pitiful and inadequate poseur, stacks up against REAL animals...
I'll try not to get into this too much, but the differences between us and other ("simpler") animals are simple:
A large, developed brain.
Opposable thumbs.
Since you have never spoken with an animal (for I persume you do not claim to posess the wisdom of King Solomon) your claim that we see death differently than animals do is hollow.
The only reasons we do something about our wounds rather than lay back and cease to live, is that we have a big, well-developed brain, and opposable thumbs, that allow us to stop our bleeding, to kill infections, and to manipulate our bodies and delay death.
If cats were to suddenly become intelligent and capable of holding and creating tools, trust me, they would not let themselves die. Just like us, evolution has made them do whatever they can to survive.
Civilization has tamed us, but in nature, thousands of years ago, we were as brutal and relentless as any Heyena. Our developed brain makes us frown upon these actions because we would not want them to be done to us. Animals with simpler brains do not comprehend this concept.
PS:
I know these issues are prolly a bit behind you guys already, I'm just way behind on reading the thread so I'll post these while they're relatively fresh.
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