Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier

[r16]

Also, interesting article on why the F-35 was doomed from the start:
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/fd...th-the-worlds-worst-new-warplane-5c95d45f86a5

shhssh , never let this debate start here , too ! Lockmart trolls are so busy lately , we don't want their expertise in CFC ...

otherwise F-35 doomed , 'cause Lockmart doin' it .

 

[imperialman]

In all seriousness, has the F-35 even begun carrier trials yet?

Indeed it has and successfully too.

Also, interesting article on why the F-35 was doomed from the start:
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/fd...th-the-worlds-worst-new-warplane-5c95d45f86a5

David Axe always seems to have an axe to grind with the F-35, pun intended. He's actually quite famous in industry for it. In all seriousness, I'm no expert but I do know colleagues in the forces and in industry are very happy with the jet so far, in the UK at least. I do note that he always enjoys bringing up the massively discredited RAND simulation.

This is quite a good explanation of his content.
http://whythef35.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/f-35-critics-still-dont-realize-that-f.html

So we have an air-superiority fighter that is less agile and slower than a 1980s vintage F-16 (to say nothing of the Typhoon or Rafale) and less powerful than ground attack aircraft (such as the Tornado).

It's not supposed to be an air-superiority fighter, the UK are using it as a strike aircraft and it fits that role very well, its overall capabilities surpass Tornado for example, especially in sensor capability.

This isn't the place for debating the F-35 though and while many disagree over it, I'd prefer to wait and see, especially given the overall positive experience colleagues have with the programme.

 

[imperialman]

 

[r16]

you know Lockheed Martin is the only corporation that still systematically calls me an idiot . With the turn the debate has taken over the net , with opponents of the F-35 now having "evidence" , surprising things happen . A lot people who have nicks pertaining to other aircraft , have suddenly stopped extolling the virtues of their favs and started posting that the avionics and stuff of the F-35 is like totally so glorious that such trivia doesn't matter a single bit . Then there are the heavy weights ; in one aviation forum there is a guy whom ı would have deduced to be a Greek from his nick . Turns out he is a patriot of this country and he proves -and scientifically at that- F-35 is "good" . Take this

If Turkish F-16's were wanted to gain air superiority above Baghdat, they would need 2 EFTs for 25 minute loiter and 10 minutes combat. For return, F-16 would need ~70% of its internal fuel capacity. For the very same mission F-35 could take off clean, and would need 35% fuel for return.

followed by a discussion on why the THK F-16s wouldn't have fuel to burn and hence would have a lower Mach number than the F-35 during the exit . When ı was a kid combats were for 2 minutes , but anyhow ... And please mind that the word order and stuff still seem to suggest the mission would have been accomplished . The answer would have been pure nonsense , but it seems people have been gaining interest in the plight of this country . Nobody is like calls the answer as "idiotic" !

And here we go back to the root of the problem. This scenario is a complete nonsense.. How many times in the history of the Ottoman Empire the Turkish F-16s were tasked with air superiority over Baghdad? Zero times? Right, glad you understand what I mean now... The F-35 is only better than an F-16 in scenarios which most air forces never require.. And it utterly fails exactly in those scenarios which are needed every day.. which is interception and maintaining air superiority over the own capital which is ~35 miles away from their landing strip.

possibly only because people can observe the thing that the only way the THK would be over Baghdad would be in support a Saudi invasion or a Kurdish theft of Iraqi oil to be like "legalized" after Iraqi capitulation . Will not stop the Turkish guy , who is becoming an anti F-16 personality with each post as if it's not Lockmart who's selling the F-16 , too !

If you were in a country which happen to have 1471 km border with 2 islamic dictatorships, additional 2131 km with two more countries who openly wants half your territory for sh!tloads of "it belonged to us some hunders of years ago" nonsense, you would WANT F-35 exactly as it is, a hunded of it. Building 200 more F-16 instead would not have same deterrance value of 100 F-35s.

now that of that 2 Islamic dictatorships , the ISIL one was created through whole Turkish "co-operation" and the Iranian one was through full American stuff so that some black hole of instability could also suck in the then secular Turkey , one can only begin a "Yeah, right!" only to come to a full stop with the 2131 kilometers of border stuff ... One has to be the Greeks , no clue on the second ...



and only to be fair let's add this as well

And In real life, any F-16 that flies CAP along Syrian-Turkish border flies 80-140 km away from 40+ S-200 battallions is under constant threat, even when under dense ECM support. In the same jamming environment, F-35 would be a ghost to them. A hundred F-16s cannot replace a single F-35 squadron there. Expensive? No, its only the cost of winning.

as if the Irresuction does not regularly over run elements of the Syrian AD system with tons of pictures so that the cowardly Turks can come in and defeat the Syrians . The courage thing is constantly massaged , too . Just off the press , the lovely story of how coup plotters of 1960s (but good goup plotters as they rose against the Godless CHP and hence sacked out of the military schools) went to Egypt , convinced Cairo to turn over some 24 000 college graduates so that those Brave Turks could make a replica of the Suez Canal and how a most intrepid trio actually canoed through the Suez Canal to Gazze itself , and each in a coffin , too . Yeah , that's how the Barley Line was negated and stuff ! Barley , probably because as they were inventing all that , they checked the Wikipedia and saw there was something called the Bar Lev Line and the guy who pencilled it as Barlev and the actor , knowing a bit of English , read that as Barley . Or now that ı don't really get to speak English , it's really prounced as such ... Oh , only the cowardice remains , before the Golden Age to come ...

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[Samez]

The flight deck surface seems to be very red-/brownish -
Is it already the final surface or just some kind of intermediate state?

 

[imperialman]

The flight deck surface seems to be very red-/brownish -
Is it already the final surface or just some kind of intermediate state?

That's just an undercoat, it'll look like this when finished

 

[imperialman]

HMS Queen Elizabeth is fitting out in the foreground and HMS Prince of Wales is being assembled in the background. Taken yesterday I believe.

 

[CavLancer]

I hope it has an uneventful career.

 

[Glassfan]

Queen Elizabeth-class carrier program nears completion

The final section for the HMS Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier program began its delivery voyage from Glasgow to Rosyth, BAE Systems reports.

The section, known as the Aft Island, will be installed on the HMS Prince of Wales, the second aircraft carrier in the program. The 750-ton element will control aircraft operations on the second carrier.

 

[Glassfan]

A recent vid;

http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2016/05/30/britain-massive-aircraft-carrier-zc-orig.cnn

 

[EnglishEdward]

Tiny drone lands on Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier

It seem that the problem of being unable to afford the too expensive F whatever aircraft has been solved by extreme down sizing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-40910087

 

[Thorgalaeg]

That is the future. I am planing to lease my zodiac to the Spanish navy so they can use it as aircraft carrier.

 

[r16]

ah , the good old days . Now there are two companies , despite Lockmart behaving as if it behaves . Uhm , check the post with the red line above .

now that my older brother had his summer vacation , ı think we can rent some "engines" for a cool acceptable price and do not be fooled , it's entirely Green , matching Euro norms and whatsoever .



and ı will avoid the pity that accompanies all the bragging that comes with buying some Spanish design and passing it as Turkish "carrier" . Superb offer , can not be beaten !

 

[Senethro]

I don't think the Civfan moderation team is infracting your posts at the behest of the military industrial complex.

 

[Kyriakos]

Does Britain need an aircraft carrier?

 

[Senethro]

It needs fewer aircraft carriers or more compatible aircraft

 

[Kyriakos]

An aircraft carrier is clearly not a defensive asset. Furthermore it isn't something you use against just any country; it is usable for coastal targets within some radius. Britain not being exactly a ruler of the seas also means it cannot use this against any major naval power either, and (possibly?) nor anything with seriously cutting edge missile weapons. So, more preparation for the near-east wars?

 

[Hrothbern]

Does Britain need an aircraft carrier?

Any self respecting nuclear power needs an aircraft carrier

More serious, because I think it is unwise what they go for:
UK, the Tories, wants to be a Global Britain
And Kissinger himself said, commenting on the Brexit move, after first expressing that he found that somewhat unexpected, followed up by, in a paternalising stance, that a UK moving to the US would come to good use.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/11/kissinger-order-and-chaos/506876/

 

[Kyriakos]

^Then it is too bad they can't be a global power anymore, and building a carrier won't change that. They really should keep their money to pay off Ulster unionist parties.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Damn Brits ! Ze Görman Nävy should bild sum cärriers of zeir oun.

Build U boats and Waffen SS Panzer divisions please
Honestly Germany is better off building more Subs, and fighter aircraft it dosnt need to project its power via aircraft carriers. Its always been more of a land based power especially with the revived threat of Russia. Its land based aircraft will play crital role in dominating the skys and Uboats will hunt Russians subs.