Question for CFC teenagers

[Narz]

Do you consider yourself a child?

Do you think you incapable of being responsible for your actions?

Do you agree with the state of limited human rights which teenagers have (in the United States)?

I suppose this is touchy subject for me because I felt my rights were abused as a youth. My exact situation(s) are not important but I will state my main qualms with the laws regarding American youth below.

A teenager (below a certain age - depends on the state) can be sent at any time to any school (or institution) their parents deem appropriate. The teenager can then be held there against his or her wishes until whatever age the state deems it is appropriate for him or her to be able to decide their own fate (often for years).

Some of these places are quite extremely disfunctional, and the laws of free speech, freedom of movement and freedom of possesion are routinely dismissed or ignored completely. Many parents simply do not want to the responsibility that comes with raising a teenager and would rather opt (even at great cost although of course preferably if the state pays) to have someone else hold their youth for them even against the wishes of the individual.

IMO a young adult should have the right to choose where he/she wants to live and where he/she wants to go to school. I do not think parents should have the right to displace their son or daughter in the name of "what's best for them" without consent.

I'm open for respectful discussion.

 

[Warman17]

[1)] Do you consider yourself a child?

[2]Do you think you incapable of being responsible for your actions?

[3]Do you agree with the state of limited human rights which teenagers have (in the United States)?

I suppose this is touchy subject for me because I felt my rights were abused as a youth. My exact situation(s) are not important but I will state my main qualms with the laws regarding American youth below.

A teenager (below a certain age - depends on the state) can be sent at any time to any school (or institution) their parents deem appropriate. The teenager can then be held there against his or her wishes until whatever age the state deems it is appropriate for him or her to be able to decide their own fate (often for years).

Some of these places are quite extremely disfunctional, and the laws of free speech, freedom of movement and freedom of possesion are routinely dismissed or ignored completely. Many parents simply do not want to the responsibility that comes with raising a teenager and would rather opt (even at great cost although of course preferably if the state pays) to have someone else hold their youth for them even against the wishes of the individual.

IMO a young adult should have the right to choose where he/she wants to live and where he/she wants to go to school. I do not think parents should have the right to displace their son or daughter in the name of "what's best for them" without consent.

I'm open for respectful discussion.

1)
yes

2)
no

3)
yes

 

[SonicX]

I turned 20 a week ago, so I'm out

Anyway, I think teens have enough rights.
They can have sex from age 14 on.
They can drink beer from age 16 on.
They can drive from age 18.
The child has to choose with which parent (s)he wants to live after a divorce from age 12.
A child has the right to choose their own school from age 15 on.

And all of this without really responsibilities ...

I really don't see what more they'd need

 

[feline_dacat]

It makes me feel old [at 20!] that i am officially excluded from this survey! :'(

 

[Akka]

I remember that I thought I was perfectly able to make mature and informed decisions at 11.

Needless to say, it was a complete delusion.

 

[greekguy]

Do you consider yourself a child?

Do you think you incapable of being responsible for your actions?

Do you agree with the state of limited human rights which teenagers have (in the United States)?

1. no, i am 14 and thus i'm a teenager

2. no, that's just an excuse to get out of trouble. i'm old enough to know what i'm doing and what consequences come of those actions

3. i guess...

I turned 20 a week ago, so I'm out

Anyway, I think teens have enough rights.
They can have sex from age 14 on.
They can drink beer from age 16 on.
They can drive from age 18.
The child has to choose with which parent (s)he wants to live after a divorce from age 12.
A child has the right to choose their own school from age 15 on.

And all of this without really responsibilities ...

I really don't see what more they'd need

you should realize those laws vary all over the world. for instance these are age requirements for everything above in New Jersey, USA:

Sex at 16- understandable to me
beer at 21- (should be 18)
drive with permit at 16- ok with it
drive without adult at 17- ok with it again
don't know about the divorce one
i assume the last one will be similar to dropping out which is 17 here(i.e. senior in high school)- this one i guess could be lower

 

[North King]

Do you consider yourself a child?

Nope...

Do you think you incapable of being responsible for your actions?

Nope.

Do you agree with the state of limited human rights which teenagers have (in the United States)?

Nope.

I suppose this is touchy subject for me because I felt my rights were abused as a youth. My exact situation(s) are not important but I will state my main qualms with the laws regarding American youth below.

A teenager (below a certain age - depends on the state) can be sent at any time to any school (or institution) their parents deem appropriate. The teenager can then be held there against his or her wishes until whatever age the state deems it is appropriate for him or her to be able to decide their own fate (often for years).

Some of these places are quite extremely disfunctional, and the laws of free speech, freedom of movement and freedom of possesion are routinely dismissed or ignored completely. Many parents simply do not want to the responsibility that comes with raising a teenager and would rather opt (even at great cost although of course preferably if the state pays) to have someone else hold their youth for them even against the wishes of the individual.

IMO a young adult should have the right to choose where he/she wants to live and where he/she wants to go to school. I do not think parents should have the right to displace their son or daughter in the name of "what's best for them" without consent.

I'm open for respectful discussion.

Agreed on all points.

That was easy.

In any case, I think I'm quite capable of, for example, voting. More so, in fact, than the average person around here. Perhaps I'm just being stuck up, but I analyze the issues more than the average American adult, and don't vote according to party lines... I don't think I should be excluded from such.

 

[SonicX]

Sex at 16- understandable to me
beer at 21- (should be 18)
drive with permit at 16- ok with it
drive without adult at 17- ok with it again
don't know about the divorce one
i assume the last one will be similar to dropping out which is 17 here(i.e. senior in high school)- this one i guess could be lower

Beer at 21 hehe, That's plain stupid

And dropping out isn't legal until you're 18 OR you've already finished secundary school (skipped a year f.i.), the right to choose where to go to school and what to study is free.

 

[newfangle]

I'm 19.75, so I can't really consider myself a teen anymore.

Anyways, since society is totally effed up, we may as well force teenagers to do what the older people want. They're a bunch of whiny-know-it-alls anyways that should stop complaining and flip their burgers.

 

[Mise]

It makes me feel old [at 20!] that i am officially excluded from this survey! :'(

Yeah it's crazy it's like I woke up one morning and I wasn't a teenager anymore

As for the topic I think it's just fine the way it is. In the UK anyway. Drinking at 21 is friggin ridiculous. In fact, I openly ridicule you all! HAHA!

 

[Louis XXIV]

Do you consider yourself a child?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Depends on the circumstances (actually, I just turned 18, so I suppose I would have to say no regardless, but, when I was 15 or 16, it depended in what. I don't think I considered myself a child, because they implied I was less than I was, but I don't think I necessarily considered myself an adult).

Do you think you incapable of being responsible for your actions?

No, I think, for the most part, I am quite capable of making sure I'm responsible for my actions. Of course, what I think might not necessarily be true, but that's what I believe.

Do you agree with the state of limited human rights which teenagers have (in the United States)?

Some things I tend to agree with, most I do not. I feel that adults should try and look at everything from when they were younger and honestly judge if it was a beneficial thing to them or if it just caused agrivation but no real benefit to later life. Unfortunately, it seems rules like cerfews or loitering laws are in place because people have forgotten that they were once that age and find teenagers "annoying", so they try to limit what they can do to reduce their contact with them.

 

[Warman17]

I'm 16, so I'm a teen. And I can say teens are children. We may be able to reproduce, but that does not make us adults. Hell just look at our brains, they won't be wired right for another 10 years (13-23). Teens are hardly capable of rational thought.

I don't want to get into a philisophical debate now, so I'll do that later.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Teens are hardly capable of rational thought.

And I think the fact that you just said this statement proves your case, but only for some people

Actually, it all depends on the person. There is no set age that, after that point, your perfectly good for everything. Also, just because someone might be more limited in thinking through some things means that everything needs to be restricted.

 

[Warman17]

And I think the fact that you just said this statement proves your case, but only for some people

Actually, it all depends on the person. There is no set age that, after that point, your perfectly good for everything. Also, just because someone might be more limited in thinking through some things means that everything needs to be restricted.

we're talking about in general here, not specific. When you're talking about in general you have to make generalizations that don't cover every specific case.

 

[Fifty]

As surely others have said, all kids THINK they can make smart, informed decisions. Most, however, cannot.


A teenager who really felt his parents were oppressive could file for emancipation... and most likely learn very quickly that life with his parents was not so bad!

 

[Strider]

I remember that I thought I was perfectly able to make mature and informed decisions at 11.

Needless to say, it was a complete delusion.

I think it's possible to say the exact same statement for almost any age. Right now you may think yourself brilliant, but 10 years from now, chances are you will think you were a complete idoit.

 

[Fifty]

Self-delusion is an interesting thing. I can think of at least 20+ posters here on CFC who are probably completely convinced they are the most brilliant and infallible person around here, although they are obliged to say differently when asked to keep of their facade of reasonability.

 

[Cuivienen]

[1] No.
[2] No.
[3] This one is harder to answer. There are some few cases in which I think the abuse of the rights of the teenagers on the part of the parents is atrocious, but by and large teenagers have plenty of rights in the US.

 

[I am the Future]

I would have to say that i thinkl that as the world looks at teenagers as children and therfore the "posession" of our parents. This forces us to do what ever they want even when it isnt what we want. This is how we have to live and the rules will make it so you have to be older and older.

No teenager likes these laws but all have to live with them.

Mike D. 14

 

[Godwynn]

Would you consider an 18 year old a teenager? In reality, ages 13-19 end in 'teen'.