Question on heaven...

[greenpeace]

I'm not saying that god can't exist because of inconsistency of scientific data, I'm saying, for all we know god doesn't exist because there isn't any data supporting the existence of God as well as the fact that its inconsistent with evreything

 

[Perfection]

I'm not saying that god can't exist because of inconsistency of scientific data, I'm saying, for all we know god doesn't exist because there isn't any data supporting the existence of God as well as the fact that its inconsistent with evreything

Well, the problem is God can pretty much be made consistant with anything. The real reason for disbelief is the former, the later is usually just the lack of imagination on how god would internally work.

 

[greenpeace]

that "latter" isn't lack of imagination, its showing that what "God" can do seems physically impossible. If you can make something happen without any chance of something else happening than that makes it physicallyu impossible for example and thats a huge part of "God."

 

[Perfection]

that "latter" isn't lack of imagination, its showing that what "God" can do seems physically impossible. If you can make something happen without any chance of something else happening than that makes it physicallyu impossible for example and thats a huge part of "God."

The phrase "physically impossible" is dependant on theory, a theory that supports currently measured stuff and includes God could certainly be devised.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I'm not saying that god can't exist because of inconsistency of scientific data, I'm saying, for all we know god doesn't exist because there isn't any data supporting the existence of God as well as the fact that its inconsistent with everything

I trust you only mean the Christian god.

 

[greenpeace]

I trust you only mean the Christian god.

as opposed to what other god?

As you have said perf, I agree that saying god can't exist solely on the basis that it doesn't comply with physics is somewhat inaccurate, what I really mean is that it seems improbable that all the data we have collected is all wrong.

 

[Perfection]

as opposed to what other god?

The kind that alone is!

 

[Birdjaguar]

as opposed to what other god?

Well any other god that might be out there lurking. The failings of christian theology do in any way render the idea of god meaningless or irrelevant.

Thank you Perf.

 

[greenpeace]

The kind that alone is!

Sorry I don't speak confusing could you say that again (and I was addressing another person in that statement)

 

[Perfection]

Sorry I don't speak confusing

Then there's no way in hell you'll understand Birdjaguar's God.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Sorry I don't speak confusing could you say that again (and I was addressing another person in that statement)

Perf posted that for my sake. My description of god is one that fits nicely with the existing science and I have often posted "God alone is."

 

[greenpeace]

what do you mean by that, "God alone is" and could you descript that god

 

[Perfection]

what do you mean by that, "God alone is" and could you descript that god

You have no idea what you've just gotten yourself into...

I hope we get some Sufi poetry!

 

[Birdjaguar]

What did Gandalf say on the bridge at Khazad-Dum? "And I am already weary...Fly you fools!"

 

[Birdjaguar]

what do you mean by that, "God alone is" and could you descript that god

Rather than break up your dialog with Perf you might be wise to wait.

 

[King Flevance]

Thats assuming that god even exists which hasn't scientifically been proven and the Heinsenberg uncertainty principle is not at all based on god making changes. Poor Heisenberg uncertainty principle it makes me want to cry, oh the abuse, the pain.

Well, I can't provide you with proof but God has provided me with proof because I asked him for it and kept my eyes open for Him to reveal Himself and He did. My proof has been given to me. That is how God works, you want to know if He exists - go to Him for it, not me.

Don't muck around with religion and science, you may end up offending nerds like me. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to silently calculate the velocity of my tear drops on it's course towards the surface of earth. *sniff* *sniff*. JK

But seriously, man you can't just state that as fact when you don't have an argument for it or for that matter any *scientific* proof.

I don't "muck around" with religion and science. Science is simply explaining how God works. God makes waves in the ocean. We run out, figure out how he does it, and think ourselves genius.
I have all the proof I need and to state Heinsenberg has proven nothing about God's ability to change things. That 1% is because we can't predict God. Or if it is insulting then think of it this way - the way the HUP says it. That 1% is because we can't predict existance. God = Existance.

 

[Perfection]

Well, I can't provide you with proof but God has provided me with proof because I asked him for it and kept my eyes open for Him to reveal Himself and He did. My proof has been given to me. That is how God works, you want to know if He exists - go to Him for it, not me.

How can you go to something you don't believe exists?

 

[King Flevance]

You have to give the belief an honest chance at showing itself. However you view God and Jesus, talk to them I guess. I had a Catholic pray for me - with me. And I gave it an honest shot. (Although, God had presented himself to me many times already. I used to pray as a kid and had alot of prayers answered almost instantly.) But once again, God showed up - a few days after the prayer - to show me something about life I wouldn't have noticed otherwise.
Whether you believe in God or not, you no doubt have an idea of His presence in your mind. Ask him to reveal himself to you so that you may follow Him and His word. Ask him to simply show you truth about the world. Something along those lines. Alot of people like to pass this off as "coincidense" though. It isn't like God comes out of the clouds and puffs out his chest for you. He will reveal himself or maybe even Satan at work in something.

One of my revelations was on a Chris Rock stand up act. I think it was "Bigger and Blacker". Now I am not saying that Chris Rock is neither God nor Satan. I am just saying that God revealed Himself to me while I was watching it. And He was in the material of the act.

 

[warpus]

Coincidences = Jesus?

 

[Perfection]

You have to give the belief an honest chance at showing itself. However you view God and Jesus, talk to them I guess. I had a Catholic pray for me - with me. And I gave it an honest shot. (Although, God had presented himself to me many times already. I used to pray as a kid and had alot of prayers answered almost instantly.) But once again, God showed up - a few days after the prayer - to show me something about life I wouldn't have noticed otherwise.

Yeah, apparently that didn't work for me.

Whether you believe in God or not, you no doubt have an idea of His presence in your mind.

I do?!

One of my revelations was on a Chris Rock stand up act. I think it was "Bigger and Blacker". Now I am not saying that Chris Rock is neither God nor Satan. I am just saying that God revealed Himself to me while I was watching it. And He was in the material of the act.

That's ummm, nice, I guess.