Truth is higher reality, truth is something from the plane of consciousness-existence on which we operate. So to animal its Intelect and to us its intelect.
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Questions About Adam and Eve
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How do you know? You know when you get there...
I don't mind distinguishing philosophical truths from scientific truths using a capital T. As well, I'd use a T if I was talking about a metaphysical truth.
Why is that?
timtofly
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The arrangement of truths, itself is not a truth, and it is flexible as it allows:
Berzerker
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I'm fascinated by the prospect of finding the Garden under the Persian Gulf, I hope someone does a thorough scan under the water to locate the river that flowed thru the Garden during the ice age.
Unless Garden of Eden and Kindom of Heaven are not actual physical places but states of mind....
Berzerker
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they're described as physical places
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Would that not depend on the spread of the tectonic plates? It was also said to have contained Ethiopia as well.
Naturaly, if you want to describe some abstract reality to somebody completely untouched by knowledge of it you use physical terms.
The snake represent spiral-like force which is in subtle physical, known in east as kundalini power and in the west it is quite often use as symbol for medicine. This pranic force(cosmic energy) is climbing in spiral along the spine and spinal chord (Tree of life) and upon reaching the human brain awakens the functions of intelect which happens in the case of human beings and it marks significant step in natural evolution. However with intelect comes possibility of living in the ego and possibility of sin which forces man out of living in the tune with Nature and Cosmic Laws (Garden of Eden).
So no fairy Tree of life, no real Snake and no actual Garden of Eden. Its all human aproximation.
warpus
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And no Moses, no sermon on the mount, no Jesus, and no God?
Curious where you'd draw the line and why.
Curious where you'd draw the line and why.
So its either everything or nothing? I already said that one needs to use aproximation when one describes subtler or abstract reality....
Edit: I see Warpus you have joined CFC three years before me and you have 30.000 more posts. I start to think you really have a good job
(among other things)
Berzerker
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Plates dont move fast enough while ice ages come and go within our time frame, but who said Ethiopia is in the description of the Garden?
Which came first, the symbols or the things they represent? The Tree is cosmic in nature, like the world mountain with its heavenly layers. The planets and stars preceded our symbols for them.
there is no doubt that names and symbols are representations of already existent realities - I never said otherwise. Its the literal translation of Bible which allowes to think that there was a plant which fruit could give one "knowledge" which I am arguing against...
warpus
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Nah, just making the point that technically almost everything in the Bible can be taken to be non-literal - a story with a message - nothing else. Also I suppose that different people will draw the line in a different place. Some will try to take it all as the literal truth, others are cultural Christians who don't believe that most of it actually happened, and I'd guess most people are somewhere in between.
Edit: I see Warpus you have joined CFC three years before me and you have 30.000 more posts. I start to think you really have a good job
I just have no wife and no car. That leaves me a lot of money to spend on me.
classical_hero
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You won't find it, because the flood destroyed the old world and this world we now live in is totally different from the pre-flood world. The reason why those two rivers are named after two rivers of the pre-flood world is they reminded them of those two rivers. Just like when my city was founded, they called it Perth, since it reminded them of the Scottish highlands where the original Perth is situated. This happens in many places. New York and York, or even a small town nearby is called York. It is a common thing for humans to do to make them feel comfortable, to rename things after things they are familiar with.
Ziggy Stardust
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You won't find the mythical Garden of Eden because the mythical flood destroyed it all.
You won't find the mythical Garden of Eden because the mythical flood destroyed it all.
I have trouble believing that the Flood could have killed the Tree of Life. That'd be a letdown.
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Perhaps one should look at it as Jerusalem is the center of the Garden. There was no Mediterranean or Red Sea. The Tigris and Euphrates were on the North East side and the Gihon and Havilah were on the South West side.
When Adam left the Garden, he went east to the Current Iraq, and Iran area. Using current maps, the river Gihon would probably be the current Red Sea and Nile river area. That would encircle Egypt, Sudan, and Ethiopia. Havilah is considered to still be a dry area across the southern area of Saudi Arabia.
Perhaps it was the first tree to be made into a book: The Book of Life. The Tree of Life will be regrown along the River of Life; Revelation 22.
Atlantis fits into all this... how?
