Quick Answers / 'Newbie' Questions

[need my speed]

On my PC, where I have been playing Civilization IV for at least a decade, I always heard a religious sound the very moment I let a Missionary spread its religion. Yesterday, I installed Civilization IV on my laptop - and there, I only hear the religious sounds all at once (a cacophony, really) when I start the next turn. Does anyone have any idea what causes this? How does this work for others? Crossposting this between the General and the Creation & Customisation forums because I am not sure if this could be related to (but how?) or fixed with modding.

EDIT: I've figured out that this can be traced back to e.g. EFFECT_MISSIONARY_ACTIVE_BUDDHISM in Civ4EffectInfos.xml, but I am at a loss how the game knows which effect to use, and thus, how I can restore proper behaviour. Somehow, 'EFFECT_MISSIONARY_ACTIVE_BUDDHISM' is only ever referred to inside Civ4EffectInfos.xml? How can that be?
EDIT2: The answer lies here: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/quick-modding-questions-thread.351519/page-320#post-16324956

 

[R82]

1) I've got the impression that, when I play as the only human player on Noble, and I start out with Mysticism, and I research Polytheism first, I have a reasonably good chance of founding Hinduism, but if, in the same situation, I research Meditation first, my chance of founding Buddhism seems to be basically zero. Is there something to that impression? And if so, why is that so?

2) What happens to the Apostolic Palace if there is no longer any Civ that has the AP's religion as their state religion?

 

[lymond]

1) I've got the impression that, when I play as the only human player on Noble, and I start out with Mysticism, and I research Polytheism first, I have a reasonably good chance of founding Hinduism, but if, in the same situation, I research Meditation first, my chance of founding Buddhism seems to be basically zero. Is there something to that impression? And if so, why is that so?

Med is a bit cheaper than Poly, and any civ that starts with Myst has a good chance of going straight for it. Depending on the start and best tile, you may not be working a tile with commerce on it but another civ may be working commerce.

2) What happens to the Apostolic Palace if there is no longer any Civ that has the AP's religion as their state religion?

Certain conditions must apply for certain AP decisions/votes to take place, but regardless of religion, the owner of the AP qualifies for residency. Here's a wiki for you:

AP

 

[R82]

A very belated thank you!

Now something unrelated: in a recent game, something pretty weird and confusing happened to me. That is, I got access to iron at a time when, as far as I could tell, I shouldn't have had access to it yet. One of my cities was working an iron mine and was connected to it by a road, but the city shouldn't really have been trading with my capital yet. It had neither a road connection nor any kind of river or coast connection that I had already explored.

Let me illustrate it with a series of screenshots:

As you can see, I was already working on a road from Birka to Nidaros, but it was far from done yet, and I hadn't yet explored enough of the coastline for a water route. Now, both Birka and the rest of my empire were already connected to the Americans, but I didn't have an Open Borders Agreement with them yet, so that shouldn't have mattered. So what was going on?

Edit: the difficulty was Noble and the mod was BUFFY 3.19.005, if that helps.

 

[elmurcis]

Open Borders doesn't matter when it comes to resource trades so it seems that Iron is sent to you through Americans (since city has next to name it is connected to your capital)

 

[Zygmunt]

Open borders does allow money to flow easier between the select two civs, right? Bigger income

 

[R82]

Open borders does allow money to flow easier between the select two civs, right? Bigger income

Yes, unless one of the two civs is running Mercantilism, I think.

 

[Lennier]

Open borders does allow money to flow easier between the select two civs, right? Bigger income

It allows trade routes between cities of the two civilizations if there is a trade route between them and if neither is running Mercantilism. Foreign trade routes are worth more than domestic ones; foreign trade routes between land masses even more.

 

[elmurcis]

Trade routes can also be one-sided. If one side has Astronomy (for example), only that side will get trade routes to you (not you to them). It can also be "weird" in early game with watery maps where "Ocean bridges" (Ocean tiles that connects 2 land masses but can be crossed only inside culture borders) can make one-sided trade routes possible too (in crazy instances we can talk about 200+ commerce generated for one side without nothing in return).
F9 demographics shows this "trade balance" at Export/Import list (All trade routes (total value of ) that player "gets" (non-domestical) minus all trade routes that other get from player)

Not exactly question but "Today I Learned" that (Cho Ko Nu) does colleratial damage to siege too! Zillon years into game and only now realized that, haha.

Spoiler :

Had to write this down after I finally "achieved" Emperor/Large/Mara game won using only them for attack (in total lost ~260 of them, fun unit for attacks from sea, on other hand Knights turned out their week spot (as generally one wants to go "Drill line" to scratch that 1st defender of city but Knights ignore first strikes, drastically increasing odds of no damage at all )

 

[Kaitzilla]

Not exactly question but "Today I Learned" that (Cho Ko Nu) does colleratial damage to siege too! Zillon years into game and only now realized that, haha.

Whaaaattttt really!?

 

[Kaitzilla]

Whaaaattttt really!?

Yup, Catapults, Trebs, Cannons, etc. are only immune to collateral damage from siege weapons.

Bombers and Cho Ko Nu's do collateral damage to them just fine.



**Edit**
The collateral damage from Cho Ko Nu's have a hidden 50% penalty (they are treated as 3 for collateral damage), so it takes 5 Cho Ko Nus to do the same collateral damage as 3 Catapults.
They can attack from the sea though unlike siege ya.

 

[civac]

The collateral strength of 3 for Cho Ko Nus does not mean they deal half damage compared to if they had the full 6. It gets weighted vs opposing base strength. For example a catapult hits a knight for 7 hit points, a Cho Ko Nu hits a knight for 5 hit points. If the Cho Ko Nu had the full 6 collateral strength it would also only hit for 7 like the catapult.

 

[Smitz]

Question about vassal tech trading: is there a way to just take a (capitulated) vassal's techs for free?

I am currently in a game where I focused on military early on at the expense of wealth/research/technology, and am way behind tech-wise. I nearly conquered a nearby civ, but left them with one city in hopes of taking all of their technology after capitulation.
It also begs the question of having your vassal research a certain tech... after they finish, must you give them something in return?

 

[Lexicus]

Question about vassal tech trading: is there a way to just take a (capitulated) vassal's techs for free?

I am currently in a game where I focused on military early on at the expense of wealth/research/technology, and am way behind tech-wise. I nearly conquered a nearby civ, but left them with one city in hopes of taking all of their technology after capitulation.
It also begs the question of having your vassal research a certain tech... after they finish, must you give them something in return?

You can demand stuff from them but they might not accept

 

[Lennier]

Question about vassal tech trading: is there a way to just take a (capitulated) vassal's techs for free?

I am currently in a game where I focused on military early on at the expense of wealth/research/technology, and am way behind tech-wise. I nearly conquered a nearby civ, but left them with one city in hopes of taking all of their technology after capitulation.
It also begs the question of having your vassal research a certain tech... after they finish, must you give them something in return?

You can demand tech as part of the capitulation deal. (They might or might not take such a deal.) After capitulation , you can demand, but they will probably refuse. But they’ll always be willing to trade.

 

[AspiringScholar]

You can demand stuff from them but they might not accept

As far as I know, they do have to accept your first (and only your first) demand after capitulation, after which they might refuse.

 

[Lennier]

As far as I know, they do have to accept your first (and only your first) demand after capitulation, after which they might refuse.

I thought that applied to resources, not techs. And if they refuse future resource requests, they will break away (and for capitulation vassals, declare war.)

 

[AspiringScholar]

I thought that applied to resources, not techs. And if they refuse future resource requests, they will break away (and for capitulation vassals, declare war.)

You might be right. I thought it applied to either techs or resources, but it might just be the latter.

 

[ArchGhost]

As far as I know, they do have to accept your first (and only your first) demand after capitulation, after which they might refuse.

Nah, there is a threshold value of what they are willing to give, and it's just higher for the first demand -- but resources are valued very little in the first place, so it seesm that way. They can and will straight up refuse tech demands, excessive gold demands, etc. even if it's the first one you make.

They can also refuse demands without breaking. Typically if you are still considerably more powerful than them.

 

[Samson]

Nah, there is a threshold value of what they are willing to give, and it's just higher for the first demand -- but resources are valued very little in the first place, so it seesm that way. They can and will straight up refuse tech demands, excessive gold demands, etc. even if it's the first one you make.

They can also refuse demands without breaking. Typically if you are still considerably more powerful than them.

I thought the rule was, for resource requests only, that the first was always accepted and any denial in war.