Racism and the Internet
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I found a transcript of the final court session.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21748820/Scott-transcripta
A brief summary is that both the two victims AND the other robbers testified against the sisters. Also, I have no idea where the $11 story originates. The sum mentioned was over $250.
So yes, the original story is heavily biased and some of my bewilderment is thus gone.
I guess I should have known better.
But the sentence is still quite harsh. And I wont change my mind about visiting US.
EDIT: Also, everyone involved in that crime (victims and perps) were black, as was half the jury.
useless
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Let us ignore slavery, and instituional racism, for that never happened!
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
If about everyone involved in the crime was black....how does one claim 'racism' in it? 
GoodEnoughForMe
n.m.s.s.
I kind of was really in the camp of the internet empowers people to say things they normally wouldn't in real life, but having been through a public school where I heard and saw racism from people almost daily, and having seen it while working at McDonalds, I don't think that the internet is terribly guilty of creating the freedom for people to say things they normally wouldn't. I'm sure the anonymous nature empowers some people, but having seen people say things in real life I would never wish on anyone, including overt racism, death threats, etc., I don't think it's a pandemic exclusive to the internet world, so to speak.
By claiming the outcome would be different if it was white people who were involved?
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Ah....the jury was more than half black....
So black people are more likely to convict black people than white people for the same crime?
Hu?
I think this case is a perfect example of how quick some people (and crappy partisan blogs like Huffington Post) are to scream "OMG RASISM!!!" without looking at all the facts.
Case as presented:
-2 black girls sentenced to long prison sentences for stealing 11 dollars. Would white girls ever get this punishment?? Oh the horror.
Case as happened:
-The robbery was at gunpoint, the victims were also black as was at least half the jury. No evidence whatsoever of racism.
Case as presented:
-2 black girls sentenced to long prison sentences for stealing 11 dollars. Would white girls ever get this punishment?? Oh the horror.
Case as happened:
-The robbery was at gunpoint, the victims were also black as was at least half the jury. No evidence whatsoever of racism.
Ajidica
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Can someone point me to a page in the court transcript or even witness statements where it was asserted that the two girls commited the gunpoint robbery?
I find it a bit unlikely that the two other sources got that very key and important fact wrong.
Life sentence for armed robbery seems a tad excessive though.
I find it a bit unlikely that the two other sources got that very key and important fact wrong.
Life sentence for armed robbery seems a tad excessive though.
GhostWriter16
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I actually agree with the bottom, but for a different reason. Depending on the circumstances, it should be death if they are deemed likely to still be a threat.
If they aren't, they should get life with chance of parole. Don't ever let them out unless they prove they can behave.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Ding. We have a winna.
What difference does the crime being at gunpoint make? We have a uninfringed right to keep and bear arms.
Ah....the jury was more than half black....
The jury is only responcible for deciding if the defendent is guilty or not guilty, not the sentence. Nor are they responcible for taking witness statement, collecting evidence, deciding what charges, if any, are pressed, nor ensuring that the defendent has had the fullest help in preparing their case or any of the other processes involved pre trial. not really convinced that the jury being "more than half black" means that no one else involved with the case could have possibly have been racist.
Maybe they are , maybe they aren't, have the same jury tried two white women in similar circumstances and aquitted them? No they probally haven't. Again, I'm not really sure what you're getting at.
I don't know what that means, either.
Ajidica
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I read through part of the case. The first prosecution witness does not assert that the girls commited the robbery at gunpoint. (And I'm assuming none of the other would, because the prosecution would want to make sure their stories are in order and I saw nothing refering to that in the post-trial matters.)
So yeah. The claim that the girls robbed the guys at gunpoint is bogus. The best the prosection could have done was assert they were accomplices. (But based on what I read that is chancey.) Accomplice to a non-fatal armed robbery should not get you life sentence.
So yeah. The claim that the girls robbed the guys at gunpoint is bogus. The best the prosection could have done was assert they were accomplices. (But based on what I read that is chancey.) Accomplice to a non-fatal armed robbery should not get you life sentence.
MobBoss
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Oh wow. An attorney asking whats the difference in Robbery and Armed Robbery?
Priceless.
So should there be an enhancement in punishment if one speaks during a robbery attempt?Oh wow. An attorney asking whats the difference in Robbery and Armed Robbery?
Priceless.
Hygro
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You just contradicted yourself in the same paragraph.
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