youmakemefart
Warlord
Second that...
I would, once again, like to suggest that the impact of electricity in the game is still much too minimal...
RAND 1.76 Balancing and Suggestions
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Second that...
I would, once again, like to suggest that the impact of electricity in the game is still much too minimal...
Afforess
The White Wizard
What changes to Electricity are you proposing?
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
With the Egyptian UU chariot I have conquered nations, using about a dozen of them. Then I ignore the horse line until cavalry.
DrewBledsoe
Veteran QB
Which mostly confirms my point....although the War Chariot with its extra +1 base strength is just about a viable unit if you make a lot early enough.
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
The only horse unit i use before Cavalry is Bandit Rider, the rest
DrewBledsoe
Veteran QB
Here's a thought on Horseback troops.....how about giving all of the ancient, classical and medieval (with the exception of type_Horse_Archer) a +25-40% vs melee and a guaranteed first strike (Chariots could be reduced vs type_Axemen to compensate), while giving them a penalty in city attack?
This would simulate the initial charge (first strike), and the historical superiority of horse over foot. Pikemen would/should be the only viable counter to massed horses (or horses of your own to counter). A militaristic nation with access to horses should be feared, not countered with a "well I'll just build light swordsmen instead, because they do everything better" attitude.
Edit: Horse Archers could start with drill II, and a withdrawal chance, but no bonus vs melee, as they were not used in that way.
This would simulate the initial charge (first strike), and the historical superiority of horse over foot. Pikemen would/should be the only viable counter to massed horses (or horses of your own to counter). A militaristic nation with access to horses should be feared, not countered with a "well I'll just build light swordsmen instead, because they do everything better" attitude.
Edit: Horse Archers could start with drill II, and a withdrawal chance, but no bonus vs melee, as they were not used in that way.
youmakemefart
Warlord
the way the game stands at the moment it hardly makes a difference if a city has electricity or not...
I usually wait until I have the Hoover Dam, or in some cases a fusion plant... because, in the end it makes no practical difference.
In reality though electrification was one of the driving forces of the second industrial revolution and is the basis of any progress..
Thus:
- General productivity should skyrocket
- Buildings should be faster to produce (20% or so - think of all the power tools!)
- Hospitals, Doctors should skyrocket in effectiveness - think of all the devices that need electricity or of a hospital without things like refigeration, elevators. etc..
- the Bonuses of refrigeration should be dependent on electricity - so +loads of food from grocers, supermarkets, bakeries etc.
- public transport should be more efficient - provide better bonuses
- research facilities, labs, universities etc. should be much more efficient.
- anti air defences are virtually only possible with electricity (You wanna use a candle as searchlight?)
- wonders like "Rock and Roll" and many others should be only possible to build with electricity (How could you find a cure for cancer, or do the human genome project withoult electricity???
- etc...
The point is - we are so used to electrical energy to our disposal that we completely underestimate its impact. The fact is that a civ with it should (as historically accurate) have a huge advantage!
My Suggestion: just give each city +75% commerce, + 75% productivity, 10% culture, + 25% health, +2 Happiness with electricity - that is easier than reajusting all those buildings that would need it. Also - it takes into account the improvements that people experience at home - due to home refigeration, electrical household devices etc... (you would need to make modern techs a little more expensive to compensate - but that makes sense - how would anyone research radio, quantum physics, computing etc. without access to electricity)
If it isn't too much work you might want to also disallow the construction of a lot of buildings and wonders - that don't make sense without electricity, for instance:
Cure for cancer, Human Genome Project, Lab, Fusion Testreactor, Supermarket, Rock and Roll, World News Network etc.
So please, please, please - change this...
(and while you are at it get the AI to make more millitary units)
You rule by the way
45°38'N-13°47'E
Deity
Something I noticed only in my current game, since is almost the first time I reach modern era: are you aware that there are currently both a World Wonder and a World Project named "Cure for Cancer"? Was this done on purpose?
Afforess
The White Wizard
So Afforess what do you think about my UU suggestions on page 7 ?
I've implemented them (or a modified version of them) for beta2.
Good work!
@Everyone, Re-Horses
I've given all horses after Chariots free Commando promotion (can use enemy roads), which seems realistic and fair, and which will turn horses into early blitz units. I realize it may make them OP (but isn't that what you were looking for?
), and will adjust them as you play more games and report back.
Afforess
The White Wizard
That's a bit extreme, IMHO. Electricity wasn't an instant money maker. However, the premise of your point stands. Instead, all city maintenace will be reduced by 15% with elecricity, which is still pretty huge. That's about an extra 3-5 gold/turn for each city.
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
Anything to help Chariots will be a Good step forward.
Looking forward to Beta2.
JosEPh
Looking forward to Beta2.
JosEPh
Thank u for your appreciation.I've implemented them (or a modified version of them) for beta2.
Good work!
youmakemefart
Warlord
That's a bit extreme, IMHO. Electricity wasn't an instant money maker. However, the premise of your point stands. Instead, all city maintenace will be reduced by 15% with elecricity, which is still pretty huge. That's about an extra 3-5 gold/turn for each city.
Great, I think that is a good way to solve the issue. Thank you!! I forgot to mention Afforess that the Iroquious UB & Holy Roman UB are ditto copy of each other, Iroquious UB however gets an additional bonus. So I think Longhouse should replace something else maybe. We already have lots of courthouse replacements.
bonus. So I think Longhouse should replace something else maybe. We already have lots of courthouse replacements. OwieB2003
Warlord
Maybe have the Longhouse replace the Village Hall? An Iroquois longhouse that you'd tell an entire city to build would probably be the one servicing the chief, so it'd serve pretty much the same purpose. If so, maybe drop the maintenance reduction to 10%, the 
to 1, but give it the 
and free specialist of the Village Hall?
to 1, but give it the and free specialist of the Village Hall?Nice idea. A replacement of village hall would be nice. Its benefits should be more unique though.Maybe have the Longhouse replace the Village Hall? An Iroquois longhouse that you'd tell an entire city to build would probably be the one servicing the chief, so it'd serve pretty much the same purpose. If so, maybe drop the maintenance reduction to 10%, the
And I've another suggestion, Spanish UU Conquistadors should replace adventurers not cuirssairs. The reason is that conquistadors were more similar to explorers, they usually fought wars in faraway land which is not represented well by current Conquistador. Their advantage over Adventurers would be much higher strength, can attack, bonus Vs archers & melee & maybe start with city raider. However their cost would be higher. This would make them excellent unit for exploration & capturing faraway barbarian & newly spawned civs.
youmakemefart
Warlord
Lets see if Afforess likes them or not.Both suggestions are very good.
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