Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

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[arya126]

Like i said before, giving the opposition, or anyone for that matter besides LH, the power of saying how the people of england feel is way too much. If you give it to them, then the administration should get it too as they have supporters as well. But then there would be too much confusion over who thinks they feel what and so on.

Plus wouldnt it stray us from the thing we are supposed to be doing? Making decisions to make england a better place?

 

[MathNerd]

If the opposition can't say anything, there's no point in us being here, and we might as well leave and come back when elections next came by. Then it would turn into an SG, and that would be bad.

So, no, the power of us being able to talk about the people of England is nowhere near too much.

 

[MathNerd]

BTW:

100 pages!!!!

 

[arya126]

You can still use your views and debate it just as one would in a senate chamber in the usa. But when you speak for england, well who is to determ ine that you are right or wrong? There is no way to simulate public opinion in a realpolitik, and allowing the opposition to claim what they feel and have that as truth would be very undesirable.

 

[MathNerd]

But what would the opposition do otherwise?

BTW, I'm planning to publish a complete documentation of my negotiations with Arya, so don't delete any of the quote chain we have in our PMs.

 

[MathNerd]

As of now, Arya and I are just waiting for a reply from LH.

Spoiler :

Arya,

I see that you're trying to use opposition medicine against us!

Its a bit heavy to demand that we be completely nice to you. That would make the game too boring, don't you agree? So, how about this plan:

You bulb Theo ASAP and promise not to use Emergency Powers (EP henceforth), and we let you do whatever you want to do with city builds until that. You can build nothing but offensive mil units if you want, and we won't take any formal action against it.

I hope you find this deal acceptable.

Respectfully,
MathNerd

I really dont see the benfits i am getting here. EP will allow me to use ML with few, if any, repercussions. This will also keep me in office awhile. And, more importantly, keep the GreenPeace people out. We can do whatever we want with city builds anyway. Im not one to care much for the op[postions 'opposition' to what im building.

Your going to have to offer something actually worthwhile for this to happen.

Arya, it seems to me that you aren't accepting the powers that the opposition has. Ignoring the opposition is ignoring the English people, and that will just bring up the OSR. At the rate you're going, you do not appear to be willing to compromise one bit. Try to be more flexible, if you will.

I am willing to compromise, but not so that it totally distorts my policies, among other things these compromises seem to imply.

The opposition IS NOT the english people. In fact, very few even voted for the current opposition, so it reflects that even if a few people in the middle of our idealogies jumped the fence over into your support, we still have the support of the majority of england. I do not know why LH is letting you tell us how the english people are feeling, as it gives you WAY too much power to say the country is against us whether they really would be or not.

And i accept the powers the opposition has. Its just that, well, most of them wouldnt help england, rather than hurting it. Sabotage would hurt our economy. No confidence would stop all production, thus stopping us from preparing for war with russia. re-election would fail without your lurkers. Armed revolution would most likely fail without the units your lurkers would provide. I could go on, but i am not afriad of your 'powers'.

If you wish to offer me a compromise more favorable to the current administration, i migfht accept it. But you see, the consequences could only be small if i choose not too. If you hurt us, then you hurt england. Its that simple.

There is a reason we did not use any of the powers we were delegated (I will tell you that we were able to use most of them if we'd wished), and that is because we didn't want to hurt the English people. England is of utmost importance to us, and England is the whole reason we want to be in office. Not because it gives us power, but because we feel its what is best for England. That simple.

So why threaten me with the 'powers' of the opposition? You are contradicting yourself. Thats exactly what i have pointed out, the powers would hurt england.

So are you willing to give another compromise? One that actually offers me something? Otherwise these ngotiations are over.

I speak of the powers because we can ask LH for more powers! We are not limited to simply what's listed, you know.

My next offer is this: You bulb Theo ASAP, yada yada yada, and you promise not to declare EP. If you do this, we will not formally make any demands about the city builds anytime during the current administration (both before and after). I really should not have given up this much in one quick step, but I'm anxious to get this over with and to get the game started. Due to so much being planned out before the turnset, this may end up being the quickest administration we've had!

Remember that there will be alot of discussion after the first update, mostly about the war and how to prepare for it as something will likely happen in those turns. Also, another suprise is likely in that update.

As for the offer, i wll think about it. I would like to keep EP as an option, and it will take serious thought to remove it as one. The word formally there really ruins your deal. That means that your coalition can make any demands they want, in an informal matter. Thats not something i could accept. I also have a plan already written up, and ready LH's reading. I am simply waiting for this to end.

First, sorry to bring up your hopes that this was LH.

Keep in mind that if we don't formally demand, that means we can't talk about how the people feel about the city builds, meaning that any demands I make about the city builds probably won't bring up the OSR. However, you may want to check with LH about that.

Hopefully that explanation will be obsolete if LH says you cant proclaim the opinion of the public. I will wait on that offer until i get that answer.

It still wouldn't be obsolete. My point by saying "formally" was basically that it shouldn't raise the OSR. The reason I didn't omit "formally" was because it is fun to yell at you about this stuff.

Yes and LH may choose to raise it anyway. even if he doesnt, yelling at us gets annoying. I have seriously considered ML in my still short term already.

So you're willing to give up a good deal just because of a cosmetic reason? Come on, have some fun!

Eh ive been in a bad mood most of the day. The comments get more annoying the worse the mood got. Today wasnt exactly fun. But the music is calming my nerves. Amazing how eminem's rap is calming...the lyrics dont reallys eem to promote that do they?

Anyway, do we have anything left to discuss? I am currently trying to get LH to move the iberian cities in WB but hes offline so i hav eto wait. What is your prefence on their location?

I dislike rap, but people have their preferences.

I agree with Whosit on their location, but its pretty late. (Or is it? I'm not sure how many turns its been.) Lets hope LH will let us change the city location slightly.

Its only late if you count time in pages. In the game its only been a few turns. It has taken around 45 pages since the last update. I think i have already matched Cull's amount of pages, and we havent even started my term yet.

And i only recently got into rap. And only certain rappers. Rock is still the best.

Well, it looks like we're done negotiating until LH replies.

 

[W|M]

A) I also hate all rap
B) How long did that conversation take? :O

 

[MathNerd]

B) That's what I was wondering!

 

[MathNerd]

What, did I not get the "don't post on Sunday" memo?

 

[MathNerd]

Apparently not!!

(As you can tell, I'm getting really bored)

 

[MathNerd]

I've never seen the spoiler tag be used for actual spoilers. It only gets used to make forums easier to read. Anyway, I'd better stop spamming.

 

[arya126]

MN why are you spamming? Anyway LH will further things today and i think if he plays the turnset tonight, we might get an update late tonight or tomorrow.

 

[MathNerd]

Signs of life!!!

Anyway, so did you agree to the plan I last proposed to you, Arya?

 

[W|M]

I'll be busy for the next few hours - showing off to all England fans about its 4-1 defeat to Germany.

 

[MathNerd]

Its too bad the USA lost. But honestly, our team was just lucky until now.

 

[arya126]

I havent been following it, but from what i can gather new zealand is still in it, so i say GO NEW ZEALAND!

And i dont remember what your last offer was MN so i dont think ill accept it. If it stuck in my mind, it would probably be worthwhile. Im in the process of typing up my plan for LH now.

 

[MathNerd]

My offer was:

You bulb Theo ASAP, yada yada yada, and you promise not to declare EP. If you do this, we will not formally make any demands about the city builds anytime during the current administration (both before and after).

 

[W|M]

We wont do our extemes if you dont do yours. Theo should be bulbed, Philo researched quite soon as well to unlock the great civic of Pacifism.

All World Cup info here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/default.stm

(PS New Zealand are out).

 

[MathNerd]

IC: Pacifism is one of the best civics.

OOC: Pacifism and HR are the best civics.