Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

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First off, I would like to congratulate the Coalition of Doom for a stunning victory over the First Coalition, and for a well-deserved term. On that note, Arya's arrival, which was fundamental to victory, was badly-timed, in my opinion. I welcome Arya, but note that, in the future, once an election starts, no more people join until after the election, eh?

Secondly, I would like advise the current administration to peruse Stonehenge, and the Great Wall. Stonehenge is hugely beneficial, and rises the hopes of all Englishmen, and increase culture everywhere as well. The Great Wall, if place in the Super-Continent will give us an edge, with ugly, uncivilized brutes shivering in fear, not daring to attack.

Thirdly, on foreign maters, I urge you to note wage war, but to have and uneasy peace, and to hold defensive military in reserve. Both Ragnar and Caesar are weak, yes, but are brute military strong men. Keep on your toes!

I would like to thank all who participated in this stunning election. I'll see you all in the field.

-Cull

Note: I elect myself to become Opposition Leader.

EDIT: I'm Opposistion Leader now, then?
 
I know this is a bit late, but don't the parties in the Coalition of Doom conflict a bit? One prefers a secretive policy while another prefers war (which is helped a lot by alliances). One prefers freedom for everyone, yet another puts people second in importance. (Reminds me a bit of the Con-Dem coalition government in RL here. Con-Dem can also be slightly distorted to mean something else ;) ).

EDIT: I guess if you get all the votes for it by midnight GMT, which is in a couple of hours, you should be Opposition Leader.
 
So, now that we've won, we need to get the government positions in place.
This is how i think the positions should be:

Prime Minister: lopaz (or Ravus_Sol since he took emergency powers as i understand it...)
Interior Minister: SanePerson
Military Minister: Conquerer500
Foreign Minister: Arya126
Science Minister: OPEN (but probably should be someone from Modernization)
Cultural Minister: OPEN
Finance Minister: OPEN

I would like to put in a bid for Finance Minister, but would gladly cede it to someone more qualified if they came along

Feel free to edit this list
 
Secondly, I would like advise the current administration to peruse Stonehenge, and the Great Wall. Stonehenge is hugely beneficial, and rises the hopes of all Englishmen, and increase culture everywhere as well. The Great Wall, if place in the Super-Continent will give us an edge, with ugly, uncivilized brutes shivering in fear, not daring to attack.
I agree.
 
I know this is a bit late, but don't the parties in the Coalition of Doom conflict a bit? One prefers a secretive policy while another prefers war (which is helped a lot by alliances). One prefers freedom for everyone, yet another puts people second in importance. (Reminds me a bit of the Con-Dem coalition government in RL here. Con-Dem can also be slightly distorted to mean something else ;) ).

The war party rules the military aspect and another rules the interior aspect and the final party leads the coalition.
(Something like that.)
 
While they may conflict, i'm sure we'll be able to find some common ground...
 
The war party rules the military aspect and another rules the domestic aspect and the final party leads the coalition.

A bit conflicting really. I agree with west india man. With all the parties having different agendas, all isolated, I predict your government will be insufficient, and weak. To the People's Consortium of England, to their leader, Chi, will you join the First Alliance?

TBH, now that its over, the risk I took in trying to gain military party support was stupid. We would have never done anything, and be weak, similar to now.

-Cull
 
While they may conflict, i'm sure we'll be able to find some common ground...

Like what, supporting England? Or on TWO wonders, maybe? I think EVERYONE agrees with both of these ideas. Maybe in the beginning, everything will be great, when things are simple, but mark my words, your alliance as it is, will not last long.
 
Excellent. It was a hard fight, but the Coalition of Doom (we should probably change that...) has won. I don't particularly feel like seeking office at this time, however. I'll remain a politician.
 
Plus since lighthearter only asks the president before each session, the advisors can be overruled. This is unlikely however since that would mean upsetting a party in most cases, and possibly provoking a reaction from the opposition.

And the only thing that will come from a mix of differnet ideals is the ability to work together. When we have 3 differnent parties pulling our presidents direction towards their views, there will be no choice but to find a compromise and work together if we wish to stay in office. It also means our rule over this country will be more balanced, then would a totally military one. It will be easier to please everyone.

And may i be the first to welcome Cull as our soon to be opposition leader. Although i disagree with the rule he is proposing, that would stop anyone from joining once an election is underway. I wasnt a new party, or even someone who was a major influence on events. I just arrived at the right time to swing votes in favor of CoD (has anyone else realized it stands for Call of Duty as well?) and became the turning point of the election. I presume that your rule would ban anyone that stumbles upon this thread in the middle of an election, preventing their voice from being heard?

The great wall is an issue here. Some say we should build it others say we shouldnt. Those who say we should disagree with where. I say we shoud but it must not end up being a priority as we have more pressing matters. But we should not place it in eurasia, but in north america to protect our newborn colonies that will be built there from the hordes of natives. Ragnarok and caesar are in europe right now. Why dont we let them deal with the barbarians? Let them trouble themselves! A simple normal wall in each city in europe should give enough defense for the ealy years. As for stonehenge, i support it as we need the happiness it provides.
 
Well, coalitions are not about ideology or whatever; fundamentally, they are about the needs of the present and gaining power.
If the Martial Nationalists did not join our coalition, the mere fact that they got a small ammount of votes would mean that they would have no voice; since they did join, now they well get a say in how the country runs. If the MP and the LMP didn't join together, they wouldn't have won; since they won, they now get more power.
See what I'm driving at here?

Realpolitik means politics driven by practical considerations rather than ideology. Basically, national interest and pragmatism trump ideology every time.
 
Actually, it would be hard to build the GW in N america since by the time we get optics and astro it would probably have been built already.

btw: which casear are we facing?
 
Roman empire i believe. also i see your point...but the GW should not be a priority in the first place. building it in NA is the most logical choice, or in my opinion we shouldnt build it at all. Its main purpose in my eyes would be to protect our colonies in NA, or its a waste of production that could be used to promote growth instead.
 
Party Tallies:
Green Party of England and Wales: 7 (First Coalition)
Educated Party: 8 (First Coalition)
Liberal Marxist Party: 7 (Coalition of Doom)
Modernizatonal Party: 6 (Coalition of Doom)
Martial Nationalist Party: 3 (Coalition of Doom)
Royal Nationalists: 2 (Nationalist Coalition)

From what I count it should be

Party Tallies:
Green Party of England and Wales: 6 (First Coalition)
Educated Party: 7 (First Coalition)
Liberal Marxist Party: 8 (Coalition of Doom)
Modernizatonal Party: 7 (Coalition of Doom)
Martial Nationalist Party: 3 (Coalition of Doom)
Royal Nationalists: 2 (Nationalist Coalition)
 
Augustus? Hmm... I've only played against Julius before, so i don't know how the ai will be
Plus an industrius leader will probably give us a run for our money on wonders
 
Hi! MathNerd here! I will join the Educated party.

Remember when I said I alreadly signed you up in class? Yeah. Welcome to the brawl, and enjoy! Talk later.

I wish to join the Educated party

Sweet! Feel free to post, and debate all you want. That goes of you too, MathNerd :p.

Well, coalitions are not about ideology or whatever; fundamentally, they are about the needs of the present and gaining power.
If the Martial Nationalists did not join our coalition, the mere fact that they got a small ammount of votes would mean that they would have no voice; since they did join, now they well get a say in how the country runs. If the MP and the LMP didn't join together, they wouldn't have won; since they won, they now get more power.
See what I'm driving at here?

Realpolitik means politics driven by practical considerations rather than ideology. Basically, national interest and pragmatism trump ideology every time.

I want to address this first. How did coalitions form? Why, they had similar ideas, and goals. The issue that we(speaking as the opposition) was that we believed that the CoD's parties are so unique and different, that there is no way that the parties involved will reach a definite compromise, for their agendas are so vastly different. Is diddling around, and doing nothing major, national interest? Is that pragmatism. No, its the idea of fools. And are you a fool? Is your coalition, which is barely able to agree on one issue, able to lead Britain to greatness?

Roman empire i believe. also i see your point...but the GW should not be a priority in the first place. building it in NA is the most logical choice, or in my opinion we shouldnt build it at all. Its main purpose in my eyes would be to protect our colonies in NA, or its a waste of production that could be used to promote growth instead.

This comes second. Honestly my first reaciton was, "Really?" From what I understand, by the time we get to the New World the GW will be gone. Rather, let's turn to the super continent, the Mainland Europe-Asia-Africa. If CoD, bunch of fools they are, are able to launch a settling fleet to France, and chop/build/whip the GW, that would be an achievement, that glistens in the sun, for them.

Plus since lighthearter only asks the president before each session, the advisors can be overruled. This is unlikely however since that would mean upsetting a party in most cases, and possibly provoking a reaction from the opposition.

And the only thing that will come from a mix of differnet ideals is the ability to work together. When we have 3 differnent parties pulling our presidents direction towards their views, there will be no choice but to find a compromise and work together if we wish to stay in office. It also means our rule over this country will be more balanced, then would a totally military one. It will be easier to please everyone.

And may i be the first to welcome Cull as our soon to be opposition leader. Although i disagree with the rule he is proposing, that would stop anyone from joining once an election is underway. I wasnt a new party, or even someone who was a major influence on events. I just arrived at the right time to swing votes in favor of CoD (has anyone else realized it stands for Call of Duty as well?) and became the turning point of the election. I presume that your rule would ban anyone that stumbles upon this thread in the middle of an election, preventing their voice from being heard?

The great wall is an issue here. Some say we should build it others say we shouldnt. Those who say we should disagree with where. I say we shoud but it must not end up being a priority as we have more pressing matters. But we should not place it in eurasia, but in north america to protect our newborn colonies that will be built there from the hordes of natives. Ragnarok and caesar are in europe right now. Why dont we let them deal with the barbarians? Let them trouble themselves! A simple normal wall in each city in europe should give enough defense for the ealy years. As for stonehenge, i support it as we need the happiness it provides.

And this is last. The first paragraph I can agree with, but the rest, ugh, let's start then. The second paragraph, is bull. Doubtlessly, the adviser from the party with the most votes will be the one most listened too. Will the Nationalists have their sway, and force men and women of all ages to fight dead-end wars, all for the so-called greater good of England? Will the LMP have the President's ear, or be the President, and further their own evil goals? Yikes. More balanced? No, just more corrupt, and insane. Find a compromise? A real compromise? No, just a heavily-biased one that favors the party with the President's favor at the time. Easier to please everyone? To answer that, is a corrupt, inefficient, boggled-down, weak government going to please everyone? Nope.

As for my idea, I still stand by it. The idea was that no new person could just walk in, join, and change the tide. They can still debate, and participate, just not vote. I thought I clearly conveyed that, but I guess not. We wouldn't ban them as you so elegantly said. We believe Arya came in at a bad time, changing the once 50-50 chance into nothing for the First Coalition. The voting was supposed to end that very night! And you can say you just swung votes? Changing a tie, to a victory for one party in the very last hours? Of course that makes sense. What I am proposing is designed so that new members can do everything, BUT vote, as it would throw everything into disarray.

Pfft, the Americas. No, just no. Even by galley, if it even possible, then we would be too late. I say build TGW in the Super-Continent, and leave it at that. And walls in every city helping? They just increase defensive bonus, so 0 defenders still is 0 defenders, and 5 defenders is still better than 4 most of the time. I can understand your position on Stonehenge though.

-Cull

-Leader of the Opposition
 
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