Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

[mechaerik]

I'm aware of this. I think whosit would be an excellent candidate for the presidency/prime ministership.

 

[MathNerd]

I agree with Mech, but think that someone from GPC would make an even better candidate. Unlike all of these other candidates, someone from the GPC would allow ministers that were NOT EVEN IN GPC. Now, would any other candidates allow this?

 

[Sonereal]

2. Darn it LH. Im assuming that all the buildings are gone, and Ravus-York is not razed. We need to pull back into nottingham and Iberia, with the forest and hill (that i specified in the plan sent to LH. Go read it.) fortified by 2 archers and 2 axemen ASAP. If we dont have them, build them right now. Nottingham, since it has no improvements, should have plenty of units holed up there. A gelley should be in the channel at all times, watching france. Nottingham should slowly expand its radius of troops as the number increase. Hopefully, we can get 1 spear, 3 bows, and 3 axes in there eventually to hold it.

We should blockade Ravus-York as well so that the Romans don't start training bronze/mounted/iron troops.

3. Whosit, i support your ideas in general, but thats a political trick. promise things, but dont say how you will do it since you know that you cant, or that it will be very hard. Or that you have a plan that people wont like. So on. I have a feeling that your plan wont please very many people. This, in addition to you working with Ilduce is preventing me from spending a vote on you. I am sorry, but i dont think any coalition that is lead by a 'banker' as Ravus calls them (we dont have banks yet people) deserves votes. The LMP left you. Dont you count that as a sign?

We need a banker as the economy, if you haven't noticed, is .

6. Sonereal, im assuming that when you say 'right wing extremist' you mean the zealots. You say we (im assuming you mean us) wish to deface englands national identity. How would we do that?

Unlike the Faith and Strength Party, Imperial or rather, any other party places the needs of Englishmen first, not the church.

You say we wish to 'spew' decs of war. WTH is what i said in my mind to that.

Maybe if you don't want people thinking that, you should reign in your member.

We ask for crusades, but do you see us saying we should attack RUSSIA right now since they founded budhism? NO! We recognize that rome must be defeated first, then we need an era of peace. Peace is good. War, well its bad but sometimes its needed. Why should we let those heathens practise a religion that insults us, since we are heathens to them? We shouldnt. But we also know that god, likes it best when we are at peace.

Crusades are war. They're rather pointless wars at that. Going to war because of religion is just plain ignorant and since the F&S party's goal is to spread the glory of the Christian religion across the globe by seeming any means nesscary, war will come. War is needed sometimes but it won't be needed for a very long time except to maybe deal with the New World natives.

In any case, forget the Old World. We must spread the glorious religion to the heathens across the sea who simply don't know any better.

OOC: Everyone realizes im just IC when i say this stuff right? I dont really believe in holy crusades and stuff. My holy crusade in RL would be to finally wipe out the islamic extremists. But thats OT, so lets not comment on that shall we? Also, 150 PAGES!!! YAY!!

OOC: I didn't think any of that when you said it. Personally, my Holy Crusade in RL would be wipe out extremists of all religious-political bent.

I also don't subscribe to the "heathens across the sea" thing but its IC as well.

 

[Sonereal]

I agree with Mech, but think that someone from GPC would make an even better candidate. Unlike all of these other candidates, someone from the GPC would allow ministers that were NOT EVEN IN GPC. Now, would any other candidates allow this?

Probably not but England doesn't need that right now. We need strong and effective leadership.

 

[arya126]

You can turn a pointless war into a worthwhile one though. Take a city, make them your vassal, start converting their cities to our religion, then demand conversion when most of their cities have it if they havent already. Completly eliminate leaders of religious power blocs like russia.

Member? I have repeatedly said that he is a co-leader. He can say what he wants. Hell, i can say what i want. Doesnt mean that is the party's official policy. If thats what he thinks, good for him. The party, or me, doesnt HAVE to agree with him.

Whos said we place the church first? The church helps the people, and by helping the church, we help the people, They have other needs as well, such as infra, food, and jobs, which we will provide. We only support the church, because the people support the church.

Well, we dont have bankers. Obviously thats the most you can say about him, since most of Ilduce's policies are CRAP. To have bankers we need banks dont we? And we dont need Ilduce to fix the economy. I had already started the steps towards a decent economy when war came. It doesnt take a banker to finish the steps i began to take when the war ends. Plus, there is a chance that this banker is insane, if not extremist.

I dont think we have the troops to blockade it. Shouldnt we just defend what we have and retake it in the future?

 

[arya126]

I agree with Mech, but think that someone from GPC would make an even better candidate. Unlike all of these other candidates, someone from the GPC would allow ministers that were NOT EVEN IN GPC. Now, would any other candidates allow this?

This is ALREADY ALLOWED. Check the front page. If you just want a minister position, run as an independant. Doesnt really affect things, since the president can just appoint a shodaw cabinent member that gives advice to him via PM, but doesnt hold an official position.

Your bribes are a failure once again MN.

 

[MathNerd]

Key word: "Run"

That requires being voted in, and running, yada yada yada. However, with the GPC's system, everybody who wanted a post would get one.

 

[Sonereal]

You can turn a pointless war into a worthwhile one though. Take a city, make them your vassal, start converting their cities to our religion, then demand conversion when most of their cities have it if they havent already. Completly eliminate leaders of religious power blocs like russia.

Fair point. But we can start a pointless war.

A war to liberate the oppressed Christians in Antium on the other hand...

Member? I have repeatedly said that he is a co-leader. He can say what he wants. Hell, i can say what i want. Doesnt mean that is the party's official policy. If thats what he thinks, good for him. The party, or me, doesnt HAVE to agree with him.

Him being co-leader is worst. A member could be easily put off but a co-leader's word is next-near official stated policy. Grafs like that are huge problems for politicians in real life.

Whos said we place the church first? The church helps the people, and by helping the church, we help the people, They have other needs as well, such as infra, food, and jobs, which we will provide. We only support the church, because the people support the church.

Why not cut out the middle man and let the church raise its own money? If we support the people who support the church, we get the best of both worlds.

Well, we dont have bankers. Obviously thats the most you can say about him, since most of Ilduce's policies are CRAP. To have bankers we need banks dont we? And we dont need Ilduce to fix the economy. I had already started the steps towards a decent economy when war came. It doesnt take a banker to finish the steps i began to take when the war ends. Plus, there is a chance that this banker is insane, if not extremist.

That's really splitting hairs. Should I refer to him as a merchant instead given that his party spouses the idea of free market? We can't continue the steps you laid out for England because the situation has changed greatly and new realities means the need for new ideas.

I dont think we have the troops to blockade it. Shouldnt we just defend what we have and retake it in the future?

A single ship would be useful though. If not, Rome will be able to ship iron, horses, and copper to Ravus-York which, after it comes out of revolt, will immediatly be able to train dreaded Praetorians. I would feel safer if we could limit their choice to simply archers.

 

[Nukeknockout]

Key word: "Run"

That requires being voted in, and running, yada yada yada. However, with the GPC's system, everybody who wanted a post would get one.

maybe not.there's a 10 person limit for official government positions

 

[Lighthearter]

... Is it just me or was that completly pointless. I mean surely Dom didn't think you would allow his constant belittling. And why did he see all your actions as though they were personly about him?

Because I was part of his alliance in IOT and left when he started threatening the world with destruction.

So, that's where "Lighthearter the Traitor" comes in.

The thing about my party was, we went back in time, so we're supposed to have machine guns.

How are we in the Classical Era?

The Sunshiners vote (If they're still allowed to be here) for a quick teching for Astronomy, to build the holy city of Ft. Myers, and make it the Capitol of the UUTSFR.

Oh, you're not getting your party back NOW for SURE.

EDIT: part of your post implies that LH would let you remake your party yet i see no post from him that says that. So for now i'm just humouring you and assuming your voting and party privilages are suspended.

Indeed.

No, I'm doing it for fun. Fun is the name of the game isn't it, you can vote against parties you don't like, or...

You can ban the party, which is wrong, but whatever.

Lighthearter ,can you please unban us? We won't win anyway.

I'm the GM. I literally can't do ANYTHING wrong. I can put a giant army of Navy SEALS in Scotland under Rome's control and I'm perfectly legal. I just choose to follow my morals, but I DO have the power to do anything just for the hell of it.

NO.

OK, Dommy, I don't want people to hate me as much as they do you. To the players of Realpolitik-
I extend my deepest apologies. I won't post here again.

We don't mind you - stay on in if you want. However, don't talk IOT here, please.

Wow so much has happened overnight. Well first:

1. Dommy please dont come back to this thread. That was very unpleasent to read through.

2. Darn it LH. Im assuming that all the buildings are gone, and Ravus-York is not razed. We need to pull back into nottingham and Iberia, with the forest and hill (that i specified in the plan sent to LH. Go read it.) fortified by 2 archers and 2 axemen ASAP. If we dont have them, build them right now. Nottingham, since it has no improvements, should have plenty of units holed up there. A gelley should be in the channel at all times, watching france. Nottingham should slowly expand its radius of troops as the number increase. Hopefully, we can get 1 spear, 3 bows, and 3 axes in there eventually to hold it.

3. Whosit, i support your ideas in general, but thats a political trick. promise things, but dont say how you will do it since you know that you cant, or that it will be very hard. Or that you have a plan that people wont like. So on. I have a feeling that your plan wont please very many people. This, in addition to you working with Ilduce is preventing me from spending a vote on you. I am sorry, but i dont think any coalition that is lead by a 'banker' as Ravus calls them (we dont have banks yet people) deserves votes. The LMP left you. Dont you count that as a sign?

5. LH i would be delighted to recieve a section of your book. Im running out of good books to read.

6. Sonereal, im assuming that when you say 'right wing extremist' you mean the zealots. You say we (im assuming you mean us) wish to deface englands national identity. How would we do that? You say we wish to 'spew' decs of war. WTH is what i said in my mind to that. We ask for crusades, but do you see us saying we should attack RUSSIA right now since they founded budhism? NO! We recognize that rome must be defeated first, then we need an era of peace. Peace is good. War, well its bad but sometimes its needed. Why should we let those heathens practise a religion that insults us, since we are heathens to them? We shouldnt. But we also know that god, likes it best when we are at peace.

1) - I've been feeling sick all day because of that. Even through my martial arts class. ON SPARRING WEEK. But I'm willing to let you back, Dommy, IF YOU FOLLOW MY RULES.

2) - Well, I haven't figured out yet what I want to do, so just give me until Friday to figure it out. There may well be some more narrative pieces in here, if I can find the energy.

5) - OK Going out!

- Lighthearter

 

[Sonereal]

I'm the GM. I literally can't do ANYTHING wrong. I can put a giant army of Navy SEALS in Scotland under Rome's control and I'm perfectly legal. I just choose to follow my morals, but I DO have the power to do anything just for the hell of it.

Yeah! To prove your point, you should put a 20-unit stack of English Marines in Italy.

 

[MathNerd]

Don't go giving him ideas! EDIT: Oh! English marines! LH, I really think there's some merit in this idea!

EDIT: Aww, Dommy's allowed back?

 

[Nukeknockout]

Don't go giving him ideas! EDIT: Oh! English marines! LH, I really think there's some merit in this idea!

EDIT: Aww, Dommy's allowed back?

Yeah! To prove your point, you should put a 20-unit stack of English Marines in Italy.

LH and I had a discussion about that.as in,"what happens if you meet a situation you cannot resolve within the rules?" "I'm going to set this up a bit like D & D,I am the game master,and I can't do ANYTHING wrong because of it"

 

[Cull]

I would like to announce my decision to run as an independent. No matter who wins, I wish for a position in the administration as a governor of the English Home Isles, or a governor of just a city, or simply an adviser in whatever capacity the administration that wins feels best for my skill. Whosit, Assumed-President-Runner MathNerd, Ravus, as well as everyone else who may think of the president posistion, how do you respond to my offer?

 

[MathNerd]

I'd be willing to hire you up for a position. However, I would also install someone else to veto anything really stupid you tried to do as a pirate-ninja dude.

 

[Cull]

In a position of power, assuming full power, I would be a far more less-stunted oriented person, and more of a true governor/adviser.

 

[Aysee]

Huh. Looks like Aegis might just run away with this one. Even if the LMP aren't in them. Well, the Dom thing was a bit...odd.

Looks like the whole election situation got more chaotic. I'm going to go away and think on it for a bit first.

BTW, exactly what book were you reading ravus?

 

[Nukeknockout]

In a position of power, assuming full power, I would be a far more less-stunted oriented person, and more of a true governor/adviser.

so you say.yet your track record speaks against you.and no governor/adviser has true power,you work at the sufferance of the ruler

 

[Whosit]

Man, haven't had a chance to keep up with everything. I'm responding to a couple of things that might be "old new," but I think would be worth responding to, anyway.

Having used my first vote for the Imperial Party, my second vote goes to the PCE.

I agree with Mech, but think that someone from GPC would make an even better candidate. Unlike all of these other candidates, someone from the GPC would allow ministers that were NOT EVEN IN GPC. Now, would any other candidates allow this?

Actually, I would be willing to appoint any qualified member of Parliament to a minster position. It's a bit of a moot point unless I'm elected, but I have no problem with someone outside of my coalition being part of the my administration. I do admit, though, that members of my coalition have preference for the positions they want. If I am actually elected, I'll discuss the process for this.

3. Whosit, i support your ideas in general, but thats a political trick. promise things, but dont say how you will do it since you know that you cant, or that it will be very hard. Or that you have a plan that people wont like. So on. I have a feeling that your plan wont please very many people. This, in addition to you working with Ilduce is preventing me from spending a vote on you. I am sorry, but i dont think any coalition that is lead by a 'banker' as Ravus calls them (we dont have banks yet people) deserves votes. The LMP left you. Dont you count that as a sign?

That is a grave you charge you level against me. I consider myself a man of my word, and I do not make promises that I do not intend to keep. Even so, I realize that you must observe my actions and come to your own judgments regarding my character. I do have a plan. That plan is not set in stone, though. We have not yet received official reports on the state of Ravus-York (though we have made educated guesses), and I do not know if any information from the last update has changed significantly. I also realize more than in the past that Lighthearter is really in control of things, so I am going to try to develop a plan that is specific yet fluid.

A few specific things, but by no means the entirety of a plan (I believe I posted something "way back," but I forget which page it's on at the moment) includes: Defense of Iberia. Secure the passes with Archers and Axemen. Hopefully the Roman Legions have been hurt enough to buy us enough time to fortify those key positions. Protecting Iberia and the Home Island is the highest priority. I will make every reasonable effort to save Nottingham, but as I have stated several times, it is not a high-priority city, unfortunately. We need to finish developing our resources in Iberia and continue to increase our income. We'll soon need Currency and Code of Laws to raise taxes and cut administrative costs.

And, of course, the development of a well-balanced military to retake Ravus-York and, hopefully, bring the fight to the Romans. Catapults are must.

You are right about one thing, though. This is going to be hard. If we are lucky, this will be the hardest thing the English ever need to do, although I won't count on that. It is going to take time to finish improving our infrastructure, and it will take time to rebuild our army. Ravus-York was developing into a strong commercial center (and spiritual center), and its loss has hurt us badly. I believe I can mitigate the worst of these setbacks and craft a plan to bring us to victory on all fronts. I will put a more detailed plan together when I have the time.

Huh. Looks like Aegis might just run away with this one. Even if the LMP aren't in them. Well, the Dom thing was a bit...odd.

Well, mechaerik voted for me, which was nice. I commend his bravery in breaking with party lines!

I would like to announce my decision to run as an independent. No matter who wins, I wish for a position in the administration as a governor of the English Home Isles, or a governor of just a city, or simply an adviser in whatever capacity the administration that wins feels best for my skill. Whosit, Assumed-President-Runner MathNerd, Ravus, as well as everyone else who may think of the president posistion, how do you respond to my offer?

Your prior actions do not encourage me to put you in any position of importance, though if I can think of a suitable way for you to prove your loyalty to England, I will consider it. Perhaps a commando mission against the Romans? We'll see.

 

[Stingray43]

I'd be willing to hire you up for a position. However, I would also install someone else to veto anything really stupid you tried to do as a pirate-ninja dude.

MN, I could do that!