Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

[ilduce349]

A single-mindset coalition is more stable than one with many. See the GPC vs. the CoD and CoF.

Yes, but CoD had opposing bases. I know it sounds vague, but what I mean is that in CoD, there were several different viewpoints. Some wanted to raise the OSR, others wanted to lower the OSR, others wanted to help the Admin, others wanted to hurt the Admin, etc. However, in Unity, everybody has one goal: To help England, however it needs to be done.

EDIT: I see that edit of yours... Basically, (I hope I said this in a good way) WIM feels that the Imperials care about the economy and infrastructure of England, and will use war when needed. On the other hand, the NPP seems (according to their description) to eliminate everybody, no matter how it is done.

My personal views on this, of course, may differ.

Alot of your Agress conflict with each other. You seem to be agreeing with every post made.

 

[Whosit]

Just a quick chime-in during all this madness.

First: Ilduce, I never received your request for the Great Merchant. Not sure why. However, I would still argue that bulbing Currency was a stronger and safer option.

Difficulty: The difficulty is still effectively higher because we're not playing the game directly.

On whether or not a diverse coalition can survive: We will see.

The War: As I've stated a few times before, if we continue, I believe that we should grab Neapolis and Cumae because the terrain is better suited for commerce, and we will have better lines of defense (mountains to the south, our land to the west, ocean to the north, some buffer territory to the east). We should not try and conquer all of Rome because we're much more likely to over-extend ourselves and thus weaken ourselves economically.

 

[Cull]

Great. Now I'm MathNerd. Agree with Whosit on everything above.

Also, spending the night at MathNerd's place, so if one second MathNerd is on, and the next I'm on, don't be worried.

 

[Whosit]

Great. Now I'm MathNerd. Agree with Whosit on everything above.

Also, spending the night at MathNerd's place, so if one second MathNerd is on, and the next I'm on, don't be worried.

Great. Maybe you can handle your negotiations there. Should be fun: Sociopathic Pirate-Ninja vs. semi-pacifist mathematician. Tape it.

 

[W|M]

Alot of your Agress conflict with each other. You seem to be agreeing with every post made.

I agreed with the edit on the 2nd post, not the whole thing.

 

[Aysee]

I still say we should just take Rome. And as much of Germany as possible. If we take Rome and annex the Balkans, that will leave us in control of all of Western and Southern Europe. Enough to secure our fortunes for the years coming. If we control Central Europe, we just might come out of this as The power in Europe.

 

[Cull]

However, I doubt that our current research rate and economy can afford even getting the double cities of Germany(forget the name, Cumae and something), as well as the 3(maybe 4?!?!) in Italy. I have to agree with Whosit about seizing the financial heartland of Germany(the 2 cities) that are in a lush grass land.

 

[arya126]

Okay this is alot to respond to. Well first off:

1. Ilduce, it is not YOUR great merchant. You have no control over it. LH only named it after you because you were the mi9nister that dealed with money. It wasnt your in game character or anything. Whosiot still had total control. He didnt need your permission.

2. Im tired.

3. Take italy, then sweep up into germany. Cull you are wrong. There are 2 cities in italy, and 2 in germany, then that 1 city in south austria, medialanum or whatever. So we would control 5 cities, after that, and this would secure our base for admins to come. It will require a little work, but 30 turns after the war ends we will probbaly be the powerhouse of europe with a great eceonomy.

4. I dont feel like writing this.

5. I think the difficulty is more like prince. Its not that much harder. More realistic.

6. Thats it on this page. Ill ignore everything before this page, as i dont feel like rereading all this crap you guys post.

7. WIM your unreasonable. You would rather have ninja pirates in the OPPOSITION, rather than in the ADMINISTRATION. In other words, they would be against you instead of with you.

 

[Cull]

I meant three cities as in Antium, Setia(checked by MathNerd to make sure I didn't say Petia), and Rome. I forgot about the fact that we took Antium.

And if WIM doesn't want me in Unity, I'll just support them as an independent.

 

[MathNerd]

Cull was speaking for me as well in the last two posts. Now wait till he sees this when he gets back from the restroom.

 

[ilduce349]

1. Ilduce, it is not YOUR great merchant. You have no control over it. LH only named it after you because you were the mi9nister that dealed with money. It wasnt your in game character or anything. Whosiot still had total control. He didnt need your permission.

LH, can you verify this?

3. Take italy, then sweep up into germany. Cull you are wrong. There are 2 cities in italy, and 2 in germany, then that 1 city in south austria, medialanum or whatever. So we would control 5 cities, after that, and this would secure our base for admins to come. It will require a little work, but 30 turns after the war ends we will probbaly be the powerhouse of europe with a great eceonomy.

I would like to look at a power graph to confirm this, but I think we have the suffecient military to do this. No more building units. Start building missionaries and buildings. I Agree with whosit, we shouldn't destroy Rome.

First: Ilduce, I never received your request for the Great Merchant. Not sure why. However, I would still argue that bulbing Currency was a stronger and safer option.

I know I pmed you for this request. I blame my stupid internet for crashing every other page and only sending half the emails, pms, posts etc.

 

[Ravus_Sol]

I'm not to sure but i think the entire point of the great people was because of a... you know... unified admin with shared power. So not allowing the ministers they represent a say in their actions seems iffy. It's why i thought the NPP would have a lot of swing power now because Great Spy Cull is still wandering around, wouldn't we need Cull's permission to burn him for a golden age or bomb a tech leader for espionage points?

Ilduce; While most places can build troops one or two cities should allways be building troops to keep you at the constant unit limit. In our case i believe it would be Scotland building tiremes and catapults and the city with the heroic epic (kent i believe?) building basic troops. We start building the most advanced unit like crossbows and reinforcing the frontline. Antium is easier to defend so if you want a basic army you would have to hold that while taking germany. *shrug*

WIM
To my own train of thought if unity is performing a shared power structure then if someone has suspicions that it could be abused only give them something that can't be. Cull can't dictate offensive actions as a Spymaster for instance. I personally would prefer something like a "minister of peace" with no real power so i can relax for a term.

 

[arya126]

Ilduce why do you think the war is won? Because we have taken antium? No, the war is not won yet. The romans have been driving the russians out of the ukraine, and i would bet that if we dont apply pressure soon, germany will fall as well. We still need to build alot of troops. London should continue to spam catapults, and liverpool should build a mix of triremes, galleys, and cats. Actually Ravus, birmingham is the city that is building the Heroic Epic. Iberia should focus on infra, and troops. Amsterdam and RY should focus on cottages and improving the economy. Antium should focus on becoming an even better fortress, and building some troops.

It has been a while since i have said to raze rome ilduce. Please pay attention to the debates that rage if you are to comment on things in them. That goes for everything. I have said in my plans and in other posts, that we will capture and hold rome now.

Ravus why would you think that? LH never made any moves to make sure that Ilduce had agreed with its use, LH never stated anything of the like, AND its still an in game unit, so the president will always have the final say on how its used. He doesnt need anyones permisiion.

Cull, antium is in france, not italy. Maybe switzerland if you want to be picky.

 

[W|M]

NPP is the complete opposite of the Greens, I can´t let us be in the same coalition - I don´t care if they are in the opposition, we can use EP if they become too violent.

 

[Cull]

The NPP withdraws their support of EP due to certain politicians using it to further their complete agenda.

And the Imperial essentially the same party as the NPP, except for the role-playing thingy. Your statement is merely a political move designed to hinder the NPP, which really doesn't make sense, since, you know, I've sort of been on your political side including the GPC+Agis(sp?) which is your side.

 

[MathNerd]

This time, I don't agree with Cull.

 

[Cull]

Care to explain WHY?

 

[W|M]

You completely turned around! You´re description is the complete opposite of Pacifism, and the Greens are Pacifist! The Imperials have agreed to less war-mongering, and actually have economic policies and stuff.

 

[Cull]

Did you miss the post where I said while the NPP wants every other civ dead eventually, we still do peace, negotiation, economy, and the stuff.

 

[Lighthearter]

2 and 2. Whosit, you no longer have EP.

Ravus - not exactly. Two more people have to vote for it then vote against it - basically, you need a two-vote lead for EP to pass.

Let the elections begin, y'all! We'll close up on Friday or Saturday.

(And MathNerd, PM me about what the hell is going on with Unity)

- Lighthearter