I tried to edit my last post to incude Cull's opinions on the AP but the thread exploded with posts so i'll repeat it now with the new comments.
On religious diplomatic victory
We talked about this before Cull remember
we can't really win with the AP. To win all nations need to be part christian. Even if we rushed caravels and tried to put a missionaries in every american nation and asian nation, you know some nut is going to be theocratic without being christian (so we can't spread christianity to them) then we can't use it to win. (well, except by genociding that nation... but even i don't want to play like that, it's too one sided and wouldn't be what the majority of people want.)
What we can do is have lots of control over other nations. Voting power in the AP would be in level with the amount of christian believers in the lands. So we would have nearly double or triple of everyone we converted initially. The options we get would be things like "stop trading with Civ X", "force Civ Y to stop fighting england" and "Order all nations to decalre holy war on the infidel Civ Z".
As Russia is looking to stay buddist, making vikingdom have some christian worshipers could give us the option of forcing them into being our allies at a later date.
My official statement Ravus, is that it was the straw that broke the camel's back. I do not consider myself a hypocrite, since Ilduce has never treated this like a game, and i have started to take this personally. I have at least tried to treat this like a game, but he treats this like im his mortal enemy.
OOC: And why do you keep bringing up this best interests of england crap? Its a game. Theres such a thing as fun, although this Ilduce issue isnt. I keep saying you guys take this stuff way too seriously. I stand by it.
IC: I will post a policy i want england to follow when the elections end.
Yeah i figured it was either that or the start of a larger diabolical scheme. Actually we all treat this like a game, but like i've said before we are all playing different ones, me to have fun with the politics, whosit for the civ stuff etc.
We all have different definitions of fun
thats the joy of it. But on the best interests of england... well if you are taking a action for personal reasons, not for everyone (the nation) then won't exactly reflect well on you. Especially as you made a party that's stance is about doing whatever is in the best interests of the nation. It's your own phrase. And Ilduce so far hasn't done anything to the detriment of the game. He's been outspoken verbally, but then so have most people here at one time or another. But as far as i remember he hasn't sabotaged or done anything that damaged england.
Some people have fun with the serious stuff
shocking i know
which bit of the serious stuff was annoying you currently? From what i remember when this was brought up before your version of fun flows from using conflict. That things arn't fun if they are peaceful. It's a nice idea but i don't think everyone feels that way. I know i personally get depressed when i see people starting fights for fun. Or teenagers who think conflict can be fun in their love lives.
Slap, Slap, arguement then kiss. Then i get told they are in love. *sigh*
Anywho if the lack of conflict is making you think this is being serious well... you do realise that the Unity is only held together from a desire to make sabotages less likely... and people only fear that because you went and overused them. If you manage to get through a term without using one then Unity would probably disband without that outside presure pushing them together.
On the SP
I read the post Whosit, and yes i agree that unless theres some secret method of using it that i'm unaware of it doesn't sound that benificial. What are all the wonders we have available? All else i can think of would be the Great Library and the Collosus.
Perhaps find out and have a official vote open to everyone?
On the Tech
I like the paper idea after getting the war techs. Paper allows map trading which is useful, the tech itself is good trade bait. But my personal favourite is the university of Sanokere. Yep another wonder that improves the religious buildings. By +2 Science beakers this time. I do like it.
In Regards to Celtic Fury
Thanks i figured i'd highlight the option for you in case people continue to ask for their party after you decalred neutrality
And i have no idea on the MN kidnapping. It's story events and its now past midnight here so i'm going to bed.
