Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

[Aysee]

Does anyone have the election tallies? The front page hasn't been updated for...quite a while...

 

[Lighthearter]

Aysee - a while back I have one posted.

Recording changes. Still ending elections at 8:00 tonight.

- Lighthearter

 

[MathNerd]

I support Mech as Opposition leader. He has shown support for England and never has attempted to hurt the great Britannia, unlike some other potential candidates. (Cougharyacough )

 

[Cull]

For the love of Stonehenge, Arya during his administration didn't hurt Britannia. Only afterwards, did he.

I support Aysee or Mecharnick.

 

[ilduce349]

I support Aysee for opposition leader.

And yes he did, there was a reason that MN threatened to have an armed revolution (I just can't remember what now)

 

[Cull]

It was the pointless slavery debate, and MathNerd was foolish, to be honest, opposistion leader, who completely went against every adminstration order. In a way, MathNerd was the forerunner of Arya.

 

[MathNerd]

The only reason I went against Arya in everything he said was because he tried to make decisions that would go against my party's beliefs. But I'm sure Arya would say the same, only tailored towards me.

Arya's admin didn't harm England, but may have actually helped it. It showed to most people how a closed, secretive government would lead to high anger levels and therefore a high OSR. It showed the politicians that successful administrations need to include the people's opinion. The coming administration, assuming that I'm Prez, will take that principle into hyperdrive.

I would support Aysee, but if I remember right, he said he was just going to watch this term and hand over the LMP to Mech for now.

 

[Cull]

Not true whatsoever. The fact that he wanted to build some military to defend ourselves, and you shot that down. And it wasn't military for offensive, it was archers and the like.

 

[MathNerd]

If I remember right, I was for building defensive units and the such. Arya and I actually agreed on that.

What we disagreed on was whether we need an offensive army.

EDIT: So, ilduce, who do you support now? Arya or Mech?

 

[Sonereal]

What we disagreed on was whether we need an offensive army.

The best defense is a good offense.

 

[MathNerd]

The best defense is a good defense, IMO.

Anyway, this is becoming pointless.

 

[sharpeye324]

The best defense is a good defense, IMO.

Anyway, this is becoming pointless.

MN, I have had this question for a while now, how do you win a defensive war? In my experience the only way to get a white peace, or a peace in your favor was to hit them back at their home, which is quite hard to do with a defensive army. How do you manage to get a white peace or a peace favorable to yourself?

 

[MathNerd]

The whole best defense is a good defense thing is mostly IC. OOC, I have a decent offensive army, but around 60% of my troops are still defensive.

 

[Sonereal]

MN, I have had this question for a while now, how do you win a defensive war? In my experience the only way to get a white peace, or a peace in your favor was to hit them back at their home, which is quite hard to do with a defensive army. How do you manage to get a white peace or a peace favorable to yourself?

In the real world, you would basically fight a war of attrition. In-game however, there's no such thing as morale but there is war weariness. I suppose with Revolutions enabled, large amounts of war weariness could lead to rebellions or even civil war in which case, you could sue for peace on more favorable terms. Maybe even white peace.

 

[MathNerd]

Wait, are you talking about RP or in Civ?

 

[arya126]

Wow cull you are defending me? Theres something you dont see every day...

MN you supported SOME defensive troops, but as we now know neither of our plans would have built troops fast enough to defeat rome without a lengthy war that we are now in. Sonereal is right, in the real world, a defensive war works. In the game, it is much more indirectly able to work, and only rarely at best. You need to have both defensive and offensive troops to win in the game. In RL the same troops can double as both.

I dont think that mech has expressed any desire to be opposition leader, not the least of which is he is only filling in for aysee at the moment, and you guys have already pointed out aysee only wanted to watch this term. Ilduce why would dommy effect the choice of opposition leader?

On that note, technically the admin doesnt have a say in the opposition leader at all. Its entirely out of your hands.

MN my admin was successful and it didnt include your opinion (since only you and WIM opposed me for most of it, although Ilduce helped you out in the later parts). I started a real military buildup, began developing Iberia, settled 2 new cities, and basicly started the base of the structure that wosit would continue to build on, and that base will eventually be the base for england to build on in the future. I did alot in my admin, mostly good.

 

[ilduce349]

So, ilduce, who do you support now? Arya or Mech?

Do you need to ask?

Wait, are you talking about RP or in Civ?

RoM, the greatest civilization mod, has stability, which if the war weariness bar gets to high, you see rebels appear in you land. In mods like that, you can sue for peace without on offensive army.

 

[MathNerd]

Do you need to ask?

Good to know!

 

[ilduce349]

Ilduce why would dommy effect the choice of opposition leader?

If LMP gets 0 votes (which they did in the last vote update) you would be the only member of the opposition, and therefore have to be the opposition leader

MN my admin was successful and it didnt include your opinion (since only you and WIM opposed me for most of it, although Ilduce helped you out in the later parts). I started a real military buildup, began developing Iberia, settled 2 new cities, and basicly started the base of the structure that wosit would continue to build on, and that base will eventually be the base for england to build on in the future. I did alot in my admin, mostly good.

You did a decent job, but I would have rather you actually pm the members of you administration for advice before pming LH.

 

[Sonereal]

MN you supported SOME defensive troops, but as we now know neither of our plans would have built troops fast enough to defeat rome without a lengthy war that we are now in. Sonereal is right, in the real world, a defensive war works. In the game, it is much more indirectly able to work, and only rarely at best. You need to have both defensive and offensive troops to win in the game. In RL the same troops can double as both.

The best defensive troops, ironically, are siege weapons with their awesome stackbusting ability. Longbows, which overall should be a pretty powerful weapon, is a pathetic weapon along with all archery units on the offense which contradicts that they "ruled the battlefield for thousands of years".

RoM, the greatest civilization mod, has stability, which if the war weariness bar gets to high, you see rebels appear in you land. In mods like that, you can sue for peace without on offensive army.

Off topic:

Spoiler :

Actually, it doesn't work as well in RoM as it does in the modmod for it, A New Dawn. Fighting a defensive war in AND gives defenders:

-Archery units that can bombard
-Siege weapons with ranged bombard+collateral damage from it
-Option for units per tile leading to chokepoints and combined with forts and units with ranged attacks, can lead to a long frontline and long drawn out wars.
-Tundras and deserts have terrain damage which, without a certain promotion, does damage if outside cultural borders and a road.
-Unhappiness and unhealthiness are bigger factors in Revolutions. Which means mass drafting is a major problem if done too often
-Attack Support. Say that you have a stack with 3 swordsmen and a catapult. When one swordsman attacks another unit, the catapult uses ranged bombard and does some damage. Archery units use this ability as well which greatly increases the use of longbows.

I'm thinking about modifying the Revolution config in AND to make war weariness something major to deal with. As of now, it takes a lot.