ilduce349
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@LH: see if we can get a white peace, can we have a screenshot with the, lets bury the hatchet what is the price for peace?
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Cull
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No actually MathNerd's plan is Whosit's plan. You just misinterpreted MathNerd wrong IMO. He wants to do what Whosit suggested. Except he didn't say that. Which is dumb.
And ilduce making a white peace is dumb.
@Ravus: We took York and Antium. I'm pretty sure Rome will accept a white peace, with how the AI is programmed. It sure won't demand Antium and techs for peace.
But a white peace is dumb for us ATM.
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I agree, a white peace is a bad idea right now. We need to press on while the iron's hot. We are pretty horribly backward at this point and we NEED to press on while Caesar is still distracted by Peter and Ragnar. We NEED at least some extra land.
Here's another thing, we should probably send out scouting parties to find the places where Caesar is getting his Iron from and pillage it. Pillaging it, if only temporarily removes his biggest advantage and hurts his production slightly - and in this war anything that can weaken our enemy should be taken advantage of, even it means having to rebuild more later.
Here's another thing, we should probably send out scouting parties to find the places where Caesar is getting his Iron from and pillage it. Pillaging it, if only temporarily removes his biggest advantage and hurts his production slightly - and in this war anything that can weaken our enemy should be taken advantage of, even it means having to rebuild more later.
Whosit
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Alright, so apparently I'm officially back and I didn't get to do anything cool. Oh well.
I must say, though, that a vacation from the madness was refreshing. Maybe I should make that a permanent vacation?
I have been lurking, but there's still a ton of updates and spam, and I won't really have the time to keep up with it like I used to, but I'll do my best, and probably skim stuff that looks like junk.
I see that there has been a lot of "debate," but it's a little hard for me to tell what, if anything, has been agreed upon, so here's a few limited suggestions that have probably already been mentioned.
1) Build a couple of Triremes, then take out the Roman boat that is blockading (and starving) our Iberian cities. We'll need two boats to have a good shot of taking it out.
Which cities to get the boats from? Birmingham (interrupt the HE), and... London (interrupt Catapults) or Cull-Norwhich if there is still all that overflow available.
I still call for holding the line at Antium, although I understand that there is a plan to advance into Italy (I would still say that splitting forces, unless we have an overwhelming advantage, is not a good idea). In case others haven't realized, the real choke point is 1 tile east of Antium, the forested hill. Station a couple archers and a couple axemen there, build a Fort and Road, and we should be able to hold the pass.
Central Europe appears lightly defended, so I would concentrate our forces there. As I saw Ravus mention, keep an eye out for the Roman Doom Stack. And when we attack, whether with one force, or by a fork, we need to have concentrated forces; we can't let our army trickle in, because they will either be destroyed, or simply cost us more (units in enemy territory) and slow us down.
Again, apologies if this has already been covered. I just skimmed the last few pages since the pictures (thank you, Lighthearter, by the way).
Couple other things: Western Europe needs heavy worker attention. Ravus York needs several cottages (if you cannot get cottages up soon, simply whip away all the unimproved grassland tiles), and should build any economic buildings available, rather than units. It has a pretty poor hammer income, so unit spam isn't so great there.
Amsterdam could use more cottages, too. It should be safe to bring Workers there, although we'll still want garrison troops in the area, just in case.
Basically: More troops, more workers, more cottages.
I must say, though, that a vacation from the madness was refreshing. Maybe I should make that a permanent vacation?
I have been lurking, but there's still a ton of updates and spam, and I won't really have the time to keep up with it like I used to, but I'll do my best, and probably skim stuff that looks like junk.I see that there has been a lot of "debate," but it's a little hard for me to tell what, if anything, has been agreed upon, so here's a few limited suggestions that have probably already been mentioned.
1) Build a couple of Triremes, then take out the Roman boat that is blockading (and starving) our Iberian cities. We'll need two boats to have a good shot of taking it out.
Which cities to get the boats from? Birmingham (interrupt the HE), and... London (interrupt Catapults) or Cull-Norwhich if there is still all that overflow available.
I still call for holding the line at Antium, although I understand that there is a plan to advance into Italy (I would still say that splitting forces, unless we have an overwhelming advantage, is not a good idea). In case others haven't realized, the real choke point is 1 tile east of Antium, the forested hill. Station a couple archers and a couple axemen there, build a Fort and Road, and we should be able to hold the pass.
Central Europe appears lightly defended, so I would concentrate our forces there. As I saw Ravus mention, keep an eye out for the Roman Doom Stack. And when we attack, whether with one force, or by a fork, we need to have concentrated forces; we can't let our army trickle in, because they will either be destroyed, or simply cost us more (units in enemy territory) and slow us down.
Again, apologies if this has already been covered. I just skimmed the last few pages since the pictures (thank you, Lighthearter, by the way).
Couple other things: Western Europe needs heavy worker attention. Ravus York needs several cottages (if you cannot get cottages up soon, simply whip away all the unimproved grassland tiles), and should build any economic buildings available, rather than units. It has a pretty poor hammer income, so unit spam isn't so great there.
Amsterdam could use more cottages, too. It should be safe to bring Workers there, although we'll still want garrison troops in the area, just in case.
Basically: More troops, more workers, more cottages.
NedimNapoleon
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agree on cottages
Darth Caesar
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Captain Fargle
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Cottage spam away! Honestly that land around Amsterdam isn't good for anything else.
arya126
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Alright, so apparently I'm officially back and I didn't get to do anything cool. Oh well.
I must say, though, that a vacation from the madness was refreshing. Maybe I should make that a permanent vacation?
I see that there has been a lot of "debate," but it's a little hard for me to tell what, if anything, has been agreed upon, so here's a few limited suggestions that have probably already been mentioned.
1) Build a couple of Triremes, then take out the Roman boat that is blockading (and starving) our Iberian cities. We'll need two boats to have a good shot of taking it out.
Which cities to get the boats from? Birmingham (interrupt the HE), and... London (interrupt Catapults) or Cull-Norwhich if there is still all that overflow available.
I still call for holding the line at Antium, although I understand that there is a plan to advance into Italy (I would still say that splitting forces, unless we have an overwhelming advantage, is not a good idea). In case others haven't realized, the real choke point is 1 tile east of Antium, the forested hill. Station a couple archers and a couple axemen there, build a Fort and Road, and we should be able to hold the pass.
Central Europe appears lightly defended, so I would concentrate our forces there. As I saw Ravus mention, keep an eye out for the Roman Doom Stack. And when we attack, whether with one force, or by a fork, we need to have concentrated forces; we can't let our army trickle in, because they will either be destroyed, or simply cost us more (units in enemy territory) and slow us down.
Again, apologies if this has already been covered. I just skimmed the last few pages since the pictures (thank you, Lighthearter, by the way).
Couple other things: Western Europe needs heavy worker attention. Ravus York needs several cottages (if you cannot get cottages up soon, simply whip away all the unimproved grassland tiles), and should build any economic buildings available, rather than units. It has a pretty poor hammer income, so unit spam isn't so great there.
Amsterdam could use more cottages, too. It should be safe to bring Workers there, although we'll still want garrison troops in the area, just in case.
Basically: More troops, more workers, more cottages.
Actually, in my recent post after the pictures (the long post) i mentioned posting archers on the hill east of antium (not exact words, but i did recognize the choke point wasnt antium itself). Thats why i suggested at least removing teh archer form the pyrenees for it to at least keep a minimal garrison there.
And you have the wrong idea for the war plan. I suggest actually reading teh last couple pages at least, instead of just skimming them. I understand why you did it, but im sure everything will make more sense if you read through everything, and skipped the spam. But since i dont want to wait for that to happen:
Ravus's plan does not include two simultaneous strokes, at least initially. It doesnt involve trickleback either. I dont think any recent plans have mentioned them. It involves the red army forming in amsterdam, and this army could be slightly smaller than what was thought was needed before due to the light defenses that we have recently seen, and for the red army to take neapolis, take a turns rest to heal, then attack cumae. After that, it would take medialanum.
Now both he and I assumed that during that campaign, we would take some decent sized losses. Instead of sending continued reinforcements there (although a few may be sent for the final push on medialanum depending on the statsus of the army/defenses) we would build up another army (blue army) in antium. This army would go through the alps once red army has taken medialanum, and bopth armies would converge onto settia. Afterwards, they would merge into purple army so they could take rome.
Now the idea that CF has had (apparently Ravus claims he mentioned it a while ago, although i do not remember this), involves continuing the war with rome, and giving excess cities to our vassal Germany. This way, we can make sure that either:
a. Russia gets as little land as posisble once they (or we) eliminate rome. OR
b. When rome gets vassalized by the russians/vikings/whoevere else ends of doing it, they are as small as possible and most likely useless.
Plus we get a powerful vasal that can possibly help in the inevitable war with russia in the future.
CF-The iron is in the ukraine. If we take medialanum (which would happen within 15-20 turns using Ravus's plan), then we should be able to send a few raiders through Germany's territory to get within range of the iron. But that would be a low priority at the moment, and something to consider in the future once the needs for the plan are met.
Yes cottages are needed. But i would also like to add 1-3 farms around amsterdam throughout its developement so it can keep growing. I realize it isnt the best placed city, but the choice in the area was limited. It was mostly intended to kjeep the romans away from the north sea and the channel. As you can see, once they got access to the bay of biscay through RY they built a navy that has hurt us badly. Amsterdam prevented that happening sooner.
Pasture those pigs in RY!
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With regards to the naval question. Once the blockade has been lifted our first priority should be to immediately barricade the strait of Gibraltar with as many boats as we can afford, this will completely seal off and destroy Rome's capacity to function as a naval power, unless they've managed to sneak in a port in the Baltic that has gone unnoticed by us and unconquered by Ragnar.
arya126
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Actually, we only need to build one more boat, since we already have a trireme in the channel. Once the trireme is defeated, send that one back to the channel, and hopefull yhe second trireme is still there. If so, then send it to the strait of gibraltar. If not, then build another one for that duty. But more than one is not needed. Rome will not likely be building triremes in the future, as teh only oens we have seen were from RY, and either their navy is busy fighting russias in the black sea, or more likley they are preoccupied with the land situation.
arya126
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I dont get the cake thing. Is it a quote?
We DONT NEED MORE WORKERS. We already have 5-7 in Iberia and the isles. Once they get working in gaul, then it shouldnt take more than 20 turns of working to have a decent road sustem up, a ton of cottages, and maybe some mines/watermills. antium will take longer, but the important parts of amsterdam and RY should be mostly covered. More workers are not needed. They cost unit maintenence too.
MathNerd
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No, it's an idiom.
This voting thing is way more confusing than I thought it would be. From Whosit's post, it seems he wants #1, correct? So the way it stands, it's 2 for all except for 1 for #4.
This voting thing is way more confusing than I thought it would be. From Whosit's post, it seems he wants #1, correct? So the way it stands, it's 2 for all except for 1 for #4.
arya126
Squad Leader
Actually whosit never directly voted. Dont count it until he clears it up.
Ill check the votes real quick.
EDIT:
Choice 1: 1 vote
Choice 2: 2 votes
Choice 3: 2 votes
Choice 4: 1 vote
Cull and whosit have not voted (clearly) yet. Mech hasnt either, but i think he has degenerated into a total lurker by now.
Cull and whosit: Surely you can see the reasoning behind choice number 3? It combines choice 2 (The ravus tactical as a call it, since it uses his dual army plan, but it shows armies on a tactical level, or as close to tactical as you get in CIV) with choice 4 (which makes our vassal germany very powerful and gives them more units, which will be very helpful in the inevitable war with russia. It also eliminateds rome as well, or at the very least limits russias gain should they make rome a vassal. Hopefully by then rome will be very weak).
Ill check the votes real quick.
EDIT:
Choice 1: 1 vote
Choice 2: 2 votes
Choice 3: 2 votes
Choice 4: 1 vote
Cull and whosit have not voted (clearly) yet. Mech hasnt either, but i think he has degenerated into a total lurker by now.
Cull and whosit: Surely you can see the reasoning behind choice number 3? It combines choice 2 (The ravus tactical as a call it, since it uses his dual army plan, but it shows armies on a tactical level, or as close to tactical as you get in CIV) with choice 4 (which makes our vassal germany very powerful and gives them more units, which will be very helpful in the inevitable war with russia. It also eliminateds rome as well, or at the very least limits russias gain should they make rome a vassal. Hopefully by then rome will be very weak).
MathNerd
High on math (a, not e)
These are the two main points of #1. If you want, I'll VM him, asking for clarification...
arya126
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I would rather have him say it on the thread. And i corrected him on splitting up our forces, as neither choices 2 nor 3 nor 4 call for us to split up our forces. The dual army plan's name is misleading. It just directs reinforcements to antium to form a second army that will merge with the first army replacing any losses and beefing it up for the assault on rome. They only merge after they converge on settia though. Technically, we dont split up our forces, we only attack a city from 2 directions. It also saves on teh money that having troops in enemy territory gives, as teh reinforcements that would replace losses are instead building up in antium until settia is ready to be attacked.
arya126
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I mentioned that as a possiblity in my post after the pics. The long post. Did nobody actually read through it?
I am actually opposed to it, especially as we are at war at the moment. I dont think england would be england if the capital is not london. But i can see the argfuement. I dont think the economy is bad enough that we need to do it yet. Contrary to what some people think, our economy is not collapsing. Sure, its not at its best, but everyones in a panic about it. As long as we take the steps needed to restore the economy, like cottages, libraries, and the like, it wont be nearly as bad by the end of MNs term. I believe we SHOULD NOT FOCUS on the economy right now. We need to focus on the war. Thats not to say that we shouldnt start an effort to help the economy. Its just that we shouldnt divert more resources to it than the military until the war is won. And the war is not won until its over.
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