Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

[Ravus_Sol]

Well seems like things have been sorted.

ilduce
I have enough trouble making sure i read everyones posts correctly and re-reading all of my own posts and making sure they make sense and are readable. I'm not doing all that for you as well. You could have gone back and re-read the PM or asked me for clarification, i'm actually appauled you just took things at first glance. I know people say i get a lot of trust... but to miss-read something i say and then instantly turn on Whosit without further details...

The idea that i could nearly break a coalition with a few words if i had been evil enough to do so purposefully is mind boggling.

President Whosit
On your question on the status of the re-election vote, The Patriot Opposition would need support from the CPS to vote you out and i believe that while they were against ilduce they wish to give Aegis itself a chance to prove itself.

Your small cabinet could work, and you said you'd like to try a more authoritarian administration so no-one can complain if they voted you in. As you only listed three positions will you yourself be negotiating with the germans and planning the assassination if things go wrong? Or will you be delegating this job to someone else?

I ask about the negotiations as they could be started now. We both know the plan will probably change depending on what happens in the negotiations or the assassination.

Twinkletoes
welcome, Celticfury is another Independent that you might want to chat with, i mentioned before a Independent party could be formed if we got enough unaligned people.

You said that you wished to be in the opposition... Do you wish to be a part of the official Opposition? At the moment their seems to be factions of power... The Patriots are the official Opposition and the CPS (led by Mathnerd and Captain Fargle) are playing mediators between the Admin and Opposition. The Independents are completly unaligned.

Fellow
It isn't Mistrust of ilduce as a person, i wouldn't mind him leading during peace, and with some extra people to double check his post for him. His Policies however have little support and his methods of implementing said policies are a little extreme.

For me it was all about the false power. I know ilduce said it was never said who would lead Aegis but Whosit put himself forward in post #6463. ilduce never questioned it, contradicted it or clarified it in public untill AFTER the election.

To me thats just wrong.

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That's all for now. Patriots check the Newsletter for more details. CPS we will open talks with you in a short while. Aegis watch out for the future Opposition Policy.

 

[Spectrite]

It's not about why he stepped down but the general misstrust he had before even beginning which did somewhat disturb me...

It was not without reason. He had already been talking about his ideas before the election, so it was natural to guess he might try to implement his plans as president, which some people disagreed with.

 

[Whosit]

I have already told Lighthearter that I am ready to start negotiations with Frederick, and I have also given the Night Eagles orders to move out and prepare to take out Caesar at my word. Just waiting on a response.

So, yes, I plan to do most of this myself.

 

[Twinkletoes89]

In terms of being in the Opposition, I am just an unofficial opposition member. I will basically vote whichever way I choose.

An independent party might be interesting but in may be a bit oxymoronical. Maybe an Independent Coalition?

That actually has a nice ring to it!

EDIT: If celticfury is interested, I would like to found the Independent Coalition so we independents can work together to maximise our influence and also stop people asking us to join their parties! In fact, if anyone else is interested then please let me know!

 

[Fellow]

A Independent Coalition or Party would suggest we would align ourselves around a commen purpose or idea which is exactly the idea why we aren't in a party isn't it?

 

[Twinkletoes89]

It would be a much looser coalition than the other parties. We would retain our individual rights to vote the way we choose, but come election time we could become more influential if we were partners in a coalition.

There would be no manifesto or leader, just a group of independents. Its main strength is at election time, not after the elections

 

[MathNerd]

Well, and independent coalition would have to be composed of parties, so that isn't possible. However, you could make an Independent Party, which would be interesting...

 

[Spectrite]

Well, and independent coalition would have to be composed of parties, so that isn't possible. However, you could make an Independent Party, which would be interesting...

Wouldn't joining a party cause them to stop being independent, by definition?

 

[ilduce349]

Arya and 9/11: Just for your information list of ongoing conflicts (source Wikipedia)
2003 Civil war in Iraq Iraq ~100,000-1,000,000
2004 War in North-West Pakistan Pakistan 30,452[8]
2006 Mexican Drug War Mexico More than 28,000[9]
2009 Sudanese nomadic conflicts Sudan ~2,500

You forgot the mention Darfur.

The whole presidency issue: It is rather shamfull that a person doesn't even get a chance to proove himself.
Besides if everyone is at war and foccusing on this; there is good chances of catching up by foccusing on science. (especially as we do not have that many Units when I got it rightly) .

I agree, but I stepped down for the reasons LH pointed out.

but we do need to show some respect for the people that died.

Fasces349 (ooc) would say:
Shedding tears over the dead wont bring them back. Seriously guys, 2000 people died 9 years ago. More people in Africa died of starvation on that same day. Stop crying and get over it.

Ilduce (ic) would say:
Allthough it was a terrible incident. The media has over horrified it and turned it into something bigger then it is. I respect the people who gave their lives saving people in that event. Rest in peace.

ilduce
I have enough trouble making sure i read everyones posts correctly and re-reading all of my own posts and making sure they make sense and are readable. I'm not doing all that for you as well. You could have gone back and re-read the PM or asked me for clarification, i'm actually appauled you just took things at first glance. I know people say i get a lot of trust... but to miss-read something i say and then instantly turn on Whosit without further details...

The idea that i could nearly break a coalition with a few words if i had been evil enough to do so purposefully is mind boggling.

What I meant was when I responded by saying:

He wanted to dump me? If he did, I might start reconsidering trusting him.

you could have corrected me.

Whosit put himself forward in post #6463. ilduce never questioned it

Wrong, I said thats negotiable. We both kinda acknowledged in PM that it was an issue that needed to be sorted, as both of us wanted to be pres. We procrastinated the situation until the day before the election ended when we both started arguing, after about 7 back to back posts whosit gave in on the basis that I didn't trust him (it all goes back to that pm of yours Ravus).

contradicted it or clarified it in public untill AFTER the election.

Look at any of my posts during the election they all said Whosit or me would be candidate.

A Independent Coalition or Party would suggest we would align ourselves around a commen purpose or idea which is exactly the idea why we aren't in a party isn't it?

Remind me why you don't want to be co-leader of PCE?

 

[Aysee]

Because you're just too radical, ilduce.

Anyways, after the events of the last few days, I think I know what you meant when you said this:

Me and Whosit have been talking about a possible coalition, however our coalition lacks a strong leader who could be the next president.

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The idea that i could nearly break a coalition with a few words if i had been evil enough to do so purposefully is mind boggling.

And yes Ravus, that's just an indicator of how much power you have


EDIT: Wait a minute... Wouldn't the authoritarian President style throw off ilduce? Isn't this the whole reason why everyone hated Arya during his term?

And--
Everyone on should get on chat.

 

[Ravus_Sol]

What I meant was when I responded by saying:
you could have corrected me.

ilduce, once again you have miss-read my post. Go back, re-read it.

Wrong, I said thats negotiable. We both kinda acknowledged in PM that it was an issue that needed to be sorted, as both of us wanted to be pres. We procrastinated the situation until the day before the election ended when we both started arguing, after about 7 back to back posts whosit gave in on the basis that I didn't trust him (it all goes back to that pm of yours Ravus).

Look at any of my posts during the election they all said Whosit or me would be candidate.

Umm no. First you say it's hasn't been decided THEN in Post #6463 WHOSIT puts himself forward because he believes he would have more support (he's right). You then never mention it in any of your posts untill after the election. You may have been arguing in PMs but publically people thought it was whosit. I re-read the thread remember? I went back and checked.

 

[Captain Fargle]

Amidst all this endless bickering, would anyone care to assist me in picking party colours for the PPP? See it's a little tricky, because in order to keep with marginally amusing alliterative theme naming of the party we need colours that start with 'P'. Currently I have Purple, Pink and Pewter. Can anyone think of any more?

 

[Lighthearter]

Negotiations with the Germans have concluded - Whosit should be on soon to inform you what happened.

- Lighthearter

 

[Darth Caesar]

I think your color should be Imperial Purple!!!

 

[Aysee]

Oooh... Negotiations have ended!

Will be awaiting conclusion with interest.

 

[Spectrite]

Amidst all this endless bickering, would anyone care to assist me in picking party colours for the PPP? See it's a little tricky, because in order to keep with marginally amusing alliterative theme naming of the party we need colours that start with 'P'. Currently I have Purple, Pink and Pewter. Can anyone think of any more?

That's not a very visually pleasing combo. But I can't think of any "P" colors either...Maybe "Periwinkle"?

 

[Whosit]

Germany has agreed to raise troops for our army. We should definitely receive 3 units of Swordsmen, and maybe 1 Catapult and 1 Horse Archer. The other terms of the agreement are:

*Mediolanum is given to Germany.
*Loaned troops remain with us until Rome is completely defeated.
*We station English troops in Germany to deter Norse aggression.

This is good, but the downside is that the German units are an age behind modern units. I expect that we will still take heavy losses raiding the city, but this should give us a chance. I recall hearing that we still have a Catapult of our own. That should help give us a fighting chance.

 

[Aysee]

I support the terms. We all must help to win the war.

 

[mechaerik]

This is what I think we should do postwar:

 

[Celticfury]

Well, its not ideal, but its still pretty good. Hopefully our army won't be too stretched out after this whole ordeal is over.

You correct about the catapult. We also have a knight relatively close as well.