ilduce349
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When did we loose R-Y (joke)
Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR
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Captain Fargle
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I still don't get why you guys are so obsessed with taking Ireland. The Mongols are so... tiny and inoffensive. They're no threat to anyone and have no hope of winning the game, they're almost like the City States in Civ 5 or a real life, less socially progressive Iceland. Why not just let them be and go after far more rewarding targets? They're NOT WORTH IT.
ilduce349
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They're worth a few cities with no challenge. Not to mention LH said do you want to learn the easy or hard way as to why attacking Ireland = bad idea. I want to find out what he meant.
Whosit
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He'll probably create some RP-event in which people protest or some other such thing. In any case, the reasons I would re-absorb the Irish is because their cities do us more good if we control them, except for the ones that don't, and we'd burn those. If we actually plan for the war, it should be over in a matter of turns. Another reason is that they could be a security threat in case anyone ever bribed them into war against us.
But. We're certainly quite some time away from really contemplating such a thing.
As far as relations go, many AI will not declare at Pleased, although just as many will. Ragnar actually isn't too bad, as there is a 90% chance he won't declare at Pleased. Either Egyptian leader will not declare at Pleased or higher. And no AI should declare at Friendly.
Anyway, looking forward to the results of the battle with anticipation....
You are looking at it the wrong way. The point of attacking the Mongols is not to take out a threatening opponent, because as you just said, they aren't a threatening opponent. The point of attacking the Mongols is to take their land. Specifically, Ireland (the other cities are irrelevant).
Lighthearter
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Which is rampant imperialism. Remember what I said in chat - Kublai is upset about all the political campaigning on the platform of annexing him. Careful what you say IC.
You probably won't see me again until tomorrow evening - no killing each other and I'll be back. Kill each other and no one will find this thread's remains
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mechaerik
Tuturuu!
Or the IRA.
Cathy will declare at friendly if bribed by someone else who is friendly. This is a nonfactor in this game.
EDIT: Apparently Kublai also doesnt like Cull. Their bathrooms are called culls.
Oh, I don't doubt that. I never disputed the possibility of you adding in some event if we choose to attack Kublai. It wasn't IC though - it was pointing out how it's advantageous from a gameplay perspective (of course playing a game is a lot different from running a nation in real life).
Captain Fargle
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But that's what I've been saying, there is FAR better/more important land out there for conquest. Carthage is RIGHT THERE and Zululand is next to that! 2/3rds of Africa we could be planning for and you're talking about devoting significant military expenditure to take one tiny Island?
Twinkletoes89
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I really think that if we were to attack Ireland then there will be a significant penalty for our civilisation in either severe unhappiness problems in Ireland and perhaps some civil disorder on the mainland as well.
We don't want or need any of that right now when it poses very little threat to us while it remains 'independent'.
I understand the need to satisfy the constituents at home who remember the great times when it was under our control, but we can pacify them with taking other, more valuable land for the glory of the British Empire that won't send us spiralling into unhappiness and civil disorder.
I will actively oppose any attack on Ireland in the near future, as we should learn from history that Britain getting involved in the 'Irish Question' has only made things a lot more complicated and lot more bloody.
We don't want or need any of that right now when it poses very little threat to us while it remains 'independent'.
I understand the need to satisfy the constituents at home who remember the great times when it was under our control, but we can pacify them with taking other, more valuable land for the glory of the British Empire that won't send us spiralling into unhappiness and civil disorder.
I will actively oppose any attack on Ireland in the near future, as we should learn from history that Britain getting involved in the 'Irish Question' has only made things a lot more complicated and lot more bloody.
ilduce349
(Financial, Philo)
For the next election, I will create a coalition known as THE COALITION OF PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THE INVASION OF IRELAND
if we win, we invade ireland, if not we don't.
Mech should be our candidate for this wonderful idea.
if we win, we invade ireland, if not we don't.
Mech should be our candidate for this wonderful idea.
This is what I meant when I said it should be a long-term plan. You are right in saying that Carthage and Zulu are better targets. That's why we should go for them first, before Ireland. That doesn't mean we won't go for Ireland at all...
Also, it's not really "significant military expenditure". A few ships loaded with units should do the trick. Besides, if we do attack Ireland, it'll be a long way in the future, and hopefully we should have a tech advantage on them by then.
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There's too much democracy going on. It isn't like there's Freedom of Speech yet.
Unless my eyes deceive me, the latest screenshot of Ireland shows iron and/or silver over there, and I wouldn't be surprised if coal shows up there later in the game. It's full of resources which could be useful to us, and those are an incentive to invade the island. Given some time to prepare, and to let the war-weariness wear off, we could easily invade the island and keep its resources for ourselves.
Carthage also presents itself as a potential target, and domination of North Africa would cement our control of the known world's Atlantic coast, as well as give us a strong position in the Mediterranean from which we can strike at several different civs.
Until then, though, I feel we should get our economy back into shape. War isn't won on empty coffers.
Carthage also presents itself as a potential target, and domination of North Africa would cement our control of the known world's Atlantic coast, as well as give us a strong position in the Mediterranean from which we can strike at several different civs.
Until then, though, I feel we should get our economy back into shape. War isn't won on empty coffers.
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