Red Dwarf Mafia: The Smeggening [Game Thread - Concluded]

[spaceman98]

Snerk was killed right after voting for Al Sipsclar. Coincidence? Maybe, but I want him to contribute something

 

[Zack]

Then why are you implying Al killed Snerk? And why are you just now bringing this up?

 

[Zack]

Are you kidding me? That's what led to your question?

 

[spaceman98]

I brought this up earlier when I voted for Al, then unvoted. I was hoping Al would adress it, along with the rest of the thread.

Instead he just voted on the Internet Flea wagon with barely an explanation. Not satisfying.

Kennigit is in a solid lead by now. No harm in looking for cases elsewhere. I still think Jarrema is the most likely scum, with landlubber as a possible teammate. Majiffy pushed the Kennigit lynch hard yesterday, so I doubt Kennigit is their teammate.

 

[spaceman98]

that, and the fact that Sipsclar has been lackluster/absent in general

 

[dragonprobably]

An alternate wagon that hasn't started is MartinLuther. He's to be looked at if Ken flips town. I don't really see him being scum, just because outright scum accusations are not a good play from town, but all he's provided is that he's pretty sure Kennigit is mafia. If Ken's scum, that suspicion should be lessened, although it could be a ploy to make him look better.

I really don't understand how I'm scum.

Your two answers here are contradicting. You insist Snerk's killer is anti-town, then offer an explanation for how Snerk's killer could be town?

My bad, I explained it wrong. What I was trying to say the reason there was a daykill early in the game was because the daykiller is inexperienced.

Yes, I imagine the Inquisitor would know he is anti-town.

"Guarantee"? That's very final. Care to share why?

I'm trying to think from a GM's point of view. If this was my game, he'd be anti-town.

Rude. Phones have feelings too.

Also, toasters.

Yeah, I read the thread. I mean why is that a reason to vote him, because it seems like IF being silly to me. Why would a scummo use their only PM for the day to make a ridiculous threat against someone like that? It's weird, but that doesn't make it scummy.

Threatening town is very scummy, Zack. FoS: Internet Flea. I think he and Kennigit are scumbuddies. There's a lot of heat on Kennigit, so Flea is creating a distraction to protect his buddy.

 

[Newyn]

Snerk died at the midway point of the day. It's perfectly standard game procedure and whoever killed him could have done it at any time so I'm not sure what sort of crazy case you're trying to make spaceman.

 

[Kennigit]

I was typing up a longer post but decided not to post it.

I am most disappointed in Newyn and choxorn. On my phone earlier, I contemplated PMing Newyn to call out him saying I would not offer "explicit swaps of info". If I PM'd newyn my info, I guarantee he will not PM me back. At least that is the very strong impression I have. However, I just missed him here--perhaps he will return.

I have very legitimate reasons as to why I would like to be the second person in the PM chain (more legitimate than anyone else), but also literally no one piped in saying "sure Kennigit, I am interested, but how about you PM me first?". They come in saying "oooohh Kennigit, you are being so VAGUE. It is IMPOSSIBLE for us to know anything, why even try?"

I am a townie. I do not have confirmation of (1) how many scum there are (2) how they are organized (3) anything about items (4) anything about neutrals. Many of you apparently know these things, or must not care about it.

The scum have a good sense of that (at least in kills). They know a heck of a lot more than I do.

I literally do not understand accusations of "role fishing".

I'll stay awake through to the update.

I'm still hard lining on pouter pigeon though. I didn't respond, but I would say he dodged my accusation:

I was more trying to get him [Majiffy] to back up his vague general assertions with concrete examples and scumreads. And in any case, why shouldn't I listen to someone if I think he's town? And what does that have to do with being overly cautious (your given reason for voting for me)? And more importantly, why is voting off the Majiffy wagon a problem in the first place, unless you are saying that Majiffy/Landlubber is a wolf? In that case, why do you think that is the case?

The whole thing is I do not see why a townie wouldn't vote majiffy at the time and I also object to throwing the accusation back with a "oh so you must think mahiffy/landlubber is a wolf, why?"

 

[remake20]

Okay, thanks for talking Pidgeon. Based on what I've seen here the Kennigit lynch will give us the most information, though it's not like my vote's going to matter much at this point.

However, we CANNOT let this Snerk day kill go by. He dies immediately after voting for al which leads me to believe that his death was related to his vote. Sure, it came about midday, which could indicate a day kill, but why would anyone want him dead? He sure didn't do anything here that would warrant his death and I doubt 2pms this early led him to roleclaim to scum. Therefore, the only logic I can come up with scum killed him is if they have some sort of scan and then a day kill. But, if the kill belonged to the inquisitor who is likely an SK/neutral (I'm unfamiliar with Red Dwarf so I'm just going on what he said), then he wouldn't have a scan unless he's stupidly powerful. Basically what I'm saying is that I can't see any way that Snerk's death isn't related to his vote and that al needs to be checked out tomorrow.

IF's move seems really silly as town and perhaps sillier as mafia. I really don't like it, but if this is usual, I guess I'll let it slide.

 

[Kennigit]

though of course, legato did not and jht ended up not (but after pouter).

 

[Kennigit]

Mmm, I am running out of steam in staying awake.

I await someone to be willing to swap info!

 

[Newyn]

Okay, thanks for talking Pidgeon. Based on what I've seen here the Kennigit lynch will give us the most information, though it's not like my vote's going to matter much at this point.

However, we CANNOT let this Snerk day kill go by. He dies immediately after voting for al which leads me to believe that his death was related to his vote. Sure, it came about midday, which could indicate a day kill, but why would anyone want him dead? He sure didn't do anything here that would warrant his death and I doubt 2pms this early led him to roleclaim to scum. Therefore, the only logic I can come up with scum killed him is if they have some sort of scan and then a day kill. But, if the kill belonged to the inquisitor who is likely an SK/neutral (I'm unfamiliar with Red Dwarf so I'm just going on what he said), then he wouldn't have a scan unless he's stupidly powerful. Basically what I'm saying is that I can't see any way that Snerk's death isn't related to his vote and that al needs to be checked out tomorrow.

IF's move seems really silly as town and perhaps sillier as mafia. I really don't like it, but if this is usual, I guess I'll let it slide.

Or you could just be overthinking it. I'm going to take it as a day kill and nothing more since a SK or scum does not need a reason to kill anyone anyone that isn't on their side is a viable target, they don't need a scan.

@Kennigit: It's because of the one PM per day restriction that I think you're fishing. It'd be easy for you to just give false information or even not respond if someone else contacts you first since you could just use the limit as an excuse.
Even facing the lynch you'd still rather take your "information" to the grave rather than share it publicly so I'm calling BS on your claims of been some sort of valuable town role.

I'll take this opportunity however to share some free information with town though since this costs me nothing:
I'm the closest you're going to get to a vanilla townie without actually been one:
I'm a mason but there were only 2 of us. My fellow Skutter Arakhor died night 1.

 

[Kennigit]

i will pm first, as per my previous post. i am waiting for someone to say they will swap back

 

[Newyn]

All I'm seeing is a last ditch effort to try to weasel some information out of town before you die.

 

[Kennigit]

a townie can decide whether they will respond.

 

[Newyn]

Them choosing not to respond can give away just as much. If you're not willing to give whatever you know freely, I doubt it's something that we can't live without.

 

[Kennigit]

I guess I spooked you good if you think I am a super scum who gains info by allowing a townie not to respond.

 

[Visorslash]

1 Takhisis (Luizeu)
1 Land (Jarrema)
1 Luizeu (Winston)
1 Pigeon (Kennigit)
2 BSmith (Auto, KingMorgan)
2 Cuth (AA, Xym)
3 Jarrema (IF, spaceman, Land)
4 Internet Flea (Takhisis, Blade, Cuth, Al Sipsclar)
8 Kennigit (BSmith, Pigeon, Newyn, Murska, Martin, Choxorn, Zack, Remake)

 

[Murska]

Eh. Kennigit, I'll swap info back if you send me whatever you've got.

 

[Newyn]

I guess I spooked you good if you think I am a super scum who gains info by allowing a townie not to respond.

No, if you're scum, the fact that someone is willing to swap information implies that they have information to share.
If you're town, I don't see what you possibly gain from offering to trade information rather than making a real attempt to save yourself by been more transparent with whatever information you have.