Red Dwarf Mafia: The Smeggening [Game Thread - Concluded]

[Zack]

I'm Frank Todhunter, Jack of All Trades. I used a kill on bladescape N2, thinking him a scum town-leader, and scried Jarrema as Talia Garret, vanillager, last night. I have a bane, busdrive, and roleblock left.

Are you the one who contacted spaceman?

As for Murska? Like I said, this is similar how he acts all the time. Normally when scum, he's a bit more outspoken and pushy. In this case, he's reading to me as town and he's posted nothing really that could make me suspect him as scum. Unlike everyone else.

I also asked why you were so convinced I'm town.

Also, sorry if a wolf or two sneaks into my posts, I usually have to go back and paste in scum, as I'm less used to the term.

Wolf is fine, everyone understands what you mean. Also editing your posts is technically against the rules. "Bane" is the term that will confuse people (afaik it's a doctor that can self-protect).

 

[Winston Hughes]

vote: Cuthillius

Killing bladescape was never a townie move.

 

[Winston Hughes]

The Todhunter claim stinks as well. He was an officer on the ship who was killed off (along with the rest of the crew) in the very first episode and never seen again. His only notable actions (iirc) were calling Rimmer a smeghead and walking Lister to the cryopod that saved him from the disaster. There's no justification for him having the claimed powers.

 

[Cuthillius]

Are you the one who contacted spaceman?


I also asked why you were so convinced I'm town.


Wolf is fine, everyone understands what you mean. Also editing your posts is technically against the rules. "Bane" is the term that will confuse people (afaik it's a doctor that can self-protect).

Contacted spaceman?

Mostly it's that I don't think you would be as aggressive as you are being right now if you were scum, also people seem to trust you. I read you as Mason or something along those lines.

Bane is protect? Sorry, used the term I'm used to.

Winston, I realize it was a shot in the dark.

 

[Cuthillius]

The Todhunter claim stinks as well. He was an officer on the ship who was killed off (along with the rest of the crew) in the very first episode and never seen again. His only notable actions (iirc) were calling Rimmer a smeghead and walking Lister to the cryopod that saved him from the disaster. There's no justification for him having the claimed powers.

I can only tell you the role I was assigned. I haven't seen the show.

 

[Zack]

Contacted spaceman?

So you happened to scan Jarrema innocent, but you're not the person who provided the info to spaceman?

unvote

I've received info that falsifies my suspicion of Jarrema.

Will review the thread further when I have more time

You really don't remember? You two had a nice chat about it.

At this time of day?

That means either someone told you, with proof, that Jarrema is town, or you scried and didn't realize you got the answer.

Care to tell us?

No.

(I'd rather keep the wolves guessing)

 

[Jarrema]

I can confirm that I am vanilla town member

 

[Zack]

I can confirm that I am vanilla town member

Why would spaceman refuse to reveal this?

 

[Zack]

Okay, so I've done a quick re-read to try and find any interesting bladescape-Cuthillius interactiosn.

With regards to scumleans, add cuthillius. Them last posts are fishy

You know, I could do a Cuthillius wagon.

bladescape seems suspicious of Cuthillius.

And then I left again well before anything happened. That's like accusing people for saying "Scum often reason, so you must be scum."

On that note I'm unvoting, because Ken's provided quite a bit. I don't think the Jarrema bandwagon is warranted, it seems to have been an honest mistake, but I'm not sure quite what is yet.

Any thoughts on the Pigeon wagon?

Pouter seems to check out for me. He votes for Kennigit, providing reasoning why, and then says he's suspicious of me. Not really unhelpful, and I wouldn't vote for him based off of that.

This is the only time they directly address each other.

3 Jarrema (IF, spaceman, Land)
5 Kennigit (BSmith, Pigeon, Newyn, MartinLuther, Murska)
2 BSmith (Auto, KingMorgan)
3 Pigeon (Kennigit, Blade, Remake)
1 Cuth (AA)
1 Land (Jarrema)

To me, Ken seems fairly fishy, but I'm not convinced he's scum. BSmith is to me more suspicious. Saying "Oh look I know this because of reasons" is not good town play by any means. Like I said, the wagon on Pigeon really doesn't check out for me. Again, if Majiffy was scum, he's not a very good mafia player. I think he's actually decent, if he employs terrible techniques, and is just town. I haven't really looked at Jarrema too much, although I will say the double voting looks very much like an accident. And then there's the wagon on me, which I'm rather averse to.

An alternate wagon that hasn't started is MartinLuther. He's to be looked at if Ken flips town. I don't really see him being scum, just because outright scum accusations are not a good play from town, but all he's provided is that he's pretty sure Kennigit is mafia. If Ken's scum, that suspicion should be lessened, although it could be a ploy to make him look better.

That said, I'm going to check out Jarrema. No vote yet because although BSmith said some fairly unwise things, it sounds more like a cop sort of unwise than a scum sort of unwise. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets killed either this night or the next. Cueing the wolves off on your cool ability is not necessarily conducive to survival.

Notice anyone who isn't mentioned here? bladescape.

Luizeu is probs town tbh. I might be wrong but at the same time I don't think I am. : >

Ftr this is town.

bladescape thought Luiz was town.

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bladescape had a scumlean on Cuthillius. bladescape thought Luiz was town. Cuthillius did not indicate any suspicion of bladescape whatsoever, yet he now claims he killed bladescape because he thought blade was a "scum town-leader". I guess it had nothing to do with bladescape's suspicions of you? Luiz did point that out. Killing bladescape makes Luiz look good (blade's only definitive townread) while providing opportunity to distance Luiz and Cuth (who was one of several people blade was suspicious of).

It makes a lot more sense for Luiz's partner Cuthillius to kill bladescape than it does for townie Cuthillius to kill bladescape.

Why didn't you use any abilities Night 1? Why use a kill so early, before even using your scry or other abilities?

 

[Cuthillius]

So you happened to scan Jarrema innocent, but you're not the person who provided the info to spaceman?


You really don't remember? You two had a nice chat about it.

Nope. I did not tell spaceman anything.

I have not sent any PM's today, and I can prove this. I have absolutely no idea why spaceman just said this in the middle of the day.

Why would spaceman refuse to reveal this?

Avoiding flatout saying he's a rolecop? I don't know.

 

[choxorn]

Also, The nightkill pattern so far has been 3-2-2. If there was an extra kill, it seems like it would have happened N1, not N2.

Cuthilius is full of it for all the reasons Zack mentioned and you should all vote to lynch him.

 

[Cuthillius]

Notice anyone who isn't mentioned here? bladescape.

Yes, because all I was doing was tallying up votes and giving thoughts on the people who had votes.

bladescape had a scumlean on Cuthillius. bladescape thought Luiz was town. Cuthillius did not indicate any suspicion of bladescape whatsoever, yet he now claims he killed bladescape because he thought blade was a "scum town-leader". I guess it had nothing to do with bladescape's suspicions of you? Luiz did point that out. Killing bladescape makes Luiz look good (blade's only definitive townread) while providing opportunity to distance Luiz and Cuth (who was one of several people blade was suspicious of).

It makes a lot more sense for Luiz's partner Cuthillius to kill bladescape than it does for townie Cuthillius to kill bladescape.

Why didn't you use any abilities Night 1? Why use a kill so early, before even using your scry or other abilities?

No, it didn't. Several people had suspicion on me. Besides, if I was scum and I went around using that tactic "kill everyone who pokes me" it'd be the most obvious thing in the world.

There were no huge reads Night 1, and I wanted to save that for later in the game. Bladescape was leading town like a piper, and if he was scum there went the whole game, as he didn't really have much suspicion on him.

 

[Zack]

Nope. I did not tell spaceman anything.

I have not sent any PM's today, and I can prove this. I have absolutely no idea why spaceman just said this in the middle of the day.

So you not only scried Jarrema's alignment as town, but also his role and (lack of) abilities? I've never heard of such a powerful scan. On the other hand, I've been mafia in a Visor game where we had a rolecop on our team (and you either assume Jarrema is town or say this knowing he won't refute it if he's not).

Avoiding flatout saying he's a rolecop? I don't know.

He was perfectly content to vote Jarrema again earlier this phase, and make a post about it, a personal scan of his seems unlikely. If he had a scan, he would have looked at Jarrema earlier than last night I think. And a PM from Jarrema saying "I'm vanilla" wouldn't convince him.

 

[Cuthillius]

So you not only scried Jarrema's alignment as town, but also his role and (lack of) abilities? I've never heard of such a powerful scan. On the other hand, I've been mafia in a Visor game where we had a rolecop on our team (and you either assume Jarrema is town or say this knowing he won't refute it if he's not).


He was perfectly content to vote Jarrema again earlier this phase, and make a post about it, a personal scan of his seems unlikely. If he had a scan, he would have looked at Jarrema earlier than last night I think. And a PM from Jarrema saying "I'm vanilla" wouldn't convince him.

Yes. One-shot role-scan. Is that unbelievable?

Jarrema is vanilla town, Talia Garret.

Like I said, I have not told spaceman anything about Jarrema.

 

[Zack]

Yes, because all I was doing was tallying up votes and giving thoughts on the people who had votes.

In any case, you never indicated any suspicion of bladescape at all.

No, it didn't. Several people had suspicion on me. Besides, if I was scum and I went around using that tactic "kill everyone who pokes me" it'd be the most obvious thing in the world.

That is not what I said. You're misrepresenting my argument. I even said a mafia kill on bladescape makes sense because it makes Luiz look good.

And again, you never voiced suspicion of bladescape, so I don't see why else you would kill him.

There were no huge reads Night 1, and I wanted to save that for later in the game. Bladescape was leading town like a piper, and if he was scum there went the whole game, as he didn't really have much suspicion on him.

bladescape was "leading town like a piper"? That is just blatantly false. His vote wasn't even for the person who ended up being lynched. Why would you want to kill the town leader anyways, when (once again) YOU NEVER INDICATED THAT YOU SUSPECTED BLADESCAPE.

It's funny how you're trying to spin the fact that you killed someone who:

- was "leading town"

- "didn't really have much suspicion on him"

- suspected you

as somehow making you look town, when it clearly makes way more sense from a scum perspective. That's the holy trifecta of the prototypical scum kill: active, unlikely to be lynched, voiced suspicions of the scum.

 

[Zack]

Yes. One-shot role-scan. Is that unbelievable?

Yes. Why would a rolecop scan for mafia/town? It's a ridiculously powerful scan.

 

[Zack]

The Todhunter claim stinks as well. He was an officer on the ship who was killed off (along with the rest of the crew) in the very first episode and never seen again. His only notable actions (iirc) were calling Rimmer a smeghead and walking Lister to the cryopod that saved him from the disaster. There's no justification for him having the claimed powers.

So what? Minor characters have had powerful roles in games before.

 

[Zack]

So what? Minor characters have had powerful roles in games before.

For that matter, I'm a major character (from what I can tell) and the usefulness of my ability is dubious. Kennigit was a pretty minor character (from what I can tell) and he was apparently bulletproof.

 

[KingMorgan]

I can see Todhunter being a role, even see a jack of all trades ability but on the mafia side I suspect. I like Zacks case and don't think Cuthillius has provided creditable answers, really not keen to drag a is/isn't he lynch over to tomorrow so lets lynch Cuthillius today.

 

[Cuthillius]

Bother. I was hoping to avoid this, but I set myself up for it by answering that way the first time.

I did not get a kill as part of my role. I said I did because otherwise you would be "Well why not? It's a typical Jack of all Trades role, isn't it?" I was trying to avoid it, but I didn't realize Zack would freak out as much about bladescape. I considered saying MartinLuther, but I thought I wouldn't be able to defend that as well.